Why Tesla's are bad at towing!

[ShinerBock]

Two words......energy density.

Video - Why Teslas Are Bad At Towing (Today)

Maybe someday, but not today.


Now let the excuses commence......

[time2roll]

valhalla360 wrote:
Because they are taxing me to fund a rebate for you to buy one...you want to buy one, fine...if the company survives, great...but when you make me pay for it, I get say.

Really? What line on your 1040 relates to the EV surcharge?

BTW any tax credit to Tesla Buyers ENDS December 31, 2019.

[valhalla360]

time2roll wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
So what's everyone else's problem again?:h

Yes that is the part that grinds on me. Everyone has an example why Tesla or an EV in general cannot work for them.

SO DON"T BUY IT

Nothing works for everybody in every possible situation. Be happy for those that can make it work.

Why is that so hard?

Because they are taxing me to fund a rebate for you to buy one...you want to buy one, fine...if the company survives, great...but when you make me pay for it, I get say.

[ShinerBock]

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

rjstractor wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
I've ordered a Cybertruck to pull my RV and if I get 150 to 200 miles between charge, I'll be happy because that my normal stop for gas, lunch and toilet breaks anyways.

You might get close to 150-200 miles depending on how big your RV is. IIRC the Model X consumes about 700-900 w/hr per mile on the flat and up to 1800 w/hr per mile on a steep grade towing a 4500 lb horse trailer. I'm assuming the bigger, heavier Cybertruck towing a bigger, heavier trailer will consume more power, say 1 kwh per mile depending on speed and terrain. The 200 kwh battery in the Trimotor Cybertruck might get you close. As battery tech improves, so will capacity. If an electric pickup could get up over 300 kwh in battery capacity it would seriously be in business for RV towing. Of course, the more juice a battery holds the longer it takes to charge. You're looking at two hours for a full charge on a battery that big.

That's why I don't mind the more than a year for me to get the Cybertruck. Tesla usually put in all the improvements and advancements in technologies in their latest release.

My daughter's Tesla X would even get notifications for upgrades to her unit.

My Ram does the same.

Recalls are not upgrades.:B

I am not talking about recalls.

[ShinerBock]

Reisender wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

rjstractor wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
I've ordered a Cybertruck to pull my RV and if I get 150 to 200 miles between charge, I'll be happy because that my normal stop for gas, lunch and toilet breaks anyways.

You might get close to 150-200 miles depending on how big your RV is. IIRC the Model X consumes about 700-900 w/hr per mile on the flat and up to 1800 w/hr per mile on a steep grade towing a 4500 lb horse trailer. I'm assuming the bigger, heavier Cybertruck towing a bigger, heavier trailer will consume more power, say 1 kwh per mile depending on speed and terrain. The 200 kwh battery in the Trimotor Cybertruck might get you close. As battery tech improves, so will capacity. If an electric pickup could get up over 300 kwh in battery capacity it would seriously be in business for RV towing. Of course, the more juice a battery holds the longer it takes to charge. You're looking at two hours for a full charge on a battery that big.

That's why I don't mind the more than a year for me to get the Cybertruck. Tesla usually put in all the improvements and advancements in technologies in their latest release.

My daughter's Tesla X would even get notifications for upgrades to her unit.

My Ram does the same.

So dodge does regular over the air updates? What do they update?

I am not sure what it updates, but it has happened several times since I owned it. It tells me not to turn the truck off on the nav screen and that it will turn off when it is done. The last update made the whole layout change.

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ShinerBock wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

rjstractor wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
I've ordered a Cybertruck to pull my RV and if I get 150 to 200 miles between charge, I'll be happy because that my normal stop for gas, lunch and toilet breaks anyways.

You might get close to 150-200 miles depending on how big your RV is. IIRC the Model X consumes about 700-900 w/hr per mile on the flat and up to 1800 w/hr per mile on a steep grade towing a 4500 lb horse trailer. I'm assuming the bigger, heavier Cybertruck towing a bigger, heavier trailer will consume more power, say 1 kwh per mile depending on speed and terrain. The 200 kwh battery in the Trimotor Cybertruck might get you close. As battery tech improves, so will capacity. If an electric pickup could get up over 300 kwh in battery capacity it would seriously be in business for RV towing. Of course, the more juice a battery holds the longer it takes to charge. You're looking at two hours for a full charge on a battery that big.

That's why I don't mind the more than a year for me to get the Cybertruck. Tesla usually put in all the improvements and advancements in technologies in their latest release.

My daughter's Tesla X would even get notifications for upgrades to her unit.

My Ram does the same.

Recalls are not upgrades.:B

[Reisender]

ShinerBock wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

rjstractor wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
I've ordered a Cybertruck to pull my RV and if I get 150 to 200 miles between charge, I'll be happy because that my normal stop for gas, lunch and toilet breaks anyways.

You might get close to 150-200 miles depending on how big your RV is. IIRC the Model X consumes about 700-900 w/hr per mile on the flat and up to 1800 w/hr per mile on a steep grade towing a 4500 lb horse trailer. I'm assuming the bigger, heavier Cybertruck towing a bigger, heavier trailer will consume more power, say 1 kwh per mile depending on speed and terrain. The 200 kwh battery in the Trimotor Cybertruck might get you close. As battery tech improves, so will capacity. If an electric pickup could get up over 300 kwh in battery capacity it would seriously be in business for RV towing. Of course, the more juice a battery holds the longer it takes to charge. You're looking at two hours for a full charge on a battery that big.

That's why I don't mind the more than a year for me to get the Cybertruck. Tesla usually put in all the improvements and advancements in technologies in their latest release.

My daughter's Tesla X would even get notifications for upgrades to her unit.

My Ram does the same.

So dodge does regular over the air updates? What do they update?

[ShinerBock]

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

rjstractor wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
I've ordered a Cybertruck to pull my RV and if I get 150 to 200 miles between charge, I'll be happy because that my normal stop for gas, lunch and toilet breaks anyways.

You might get close to 150-200 miles depending on how big your RV is. IIRC the Model X consumes about 700-900 w/hr per mile on the flat and up to 1800 w/hr per mile on a steep grade towing a 4500 lb horse trailer. I'm assuming the bigger, heavier Cybertruck towing a bigger, heavier trailer will consume more power, say 1 kwh per mile depending on speed and terrain. The 200 kwh battery in the Trimotor Cybertruck might get you close. As battery tech improves, so will capacity. If an electric pickup could get up over 300 kwh in battery capacity it would seriously be in business for RV towing. Of course, the more juice a battery holds the longer it takes to charge. You're looking at two hours for a full charge on a battery that big.

That's why I don't mind the more than a year for me to get the Cybertruck. Tesla usually put in all the improvements and advancements in technologies in their latest release.

My daughter's Tesla X would even get notifications for upgrades to her unit.

My Ram does the same.

[Yosemite_Sam1]

rjstractor wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
I've ordered a Cybertruck to pull my RV and if I get 150 to 200 miles between charge, I'll be happy because that my normal stop for gas, lunch and toilet breaks anyways.

You might get close to 150-200 miles depending on how big your RV is. IIRC the Model X consumes about 700-900 w/hr per mile on the flat and up to 1800 w/hr per mile on a steep grade towing a 4500 lb horse trailer. I'm assuming the bigger, heavier Cybertruck towing a bigger, heavier trailer will consume more power, say 1 kwh per mile depending on speed and terrain. The 200 kwh battery in the Trimotor Cybertruck might get you close. As battery tech improves, so will capacity. If an electric pickup could get up over 300 kwh in battery capacity it would seriously be in business for RV towing. Of course, the more juice a battery holds the longer it takes to charge. You're looking at two hours for a full charge on a battery that big.

That's why I don't mind the more than a year for me to get the Cybertruck. Tesla usually put in all the improvements and advancements in technologies in their latest release.

My daughter's Tesla X would even get notifications for upgrades to her unit.

[pianotuna]

stsmark wrote:
If I’m not mistaken the Porsche Taycan is 800 volts.

Give stsmark 100%

[stsmark]

If I’m not mistaken the Porsche Taycan is 800 volts.

[pianotuna]

At this time, battery voltage is 400. The trans Canada rapid chargers are capable of 800 volts. When the higher voltage is adopted in vehicles, charge time may reduce by 50%.

[time2roll]

At the current high rates of charge these lithium batteries do taper current significantly toward the top. A larger battery would be better able to utilize the higher rates for longer time. Just saying a 300kWh battery will not take 3x as long as a 100kWh battery. For a long day the charging will still make it a very long day so still an issue.

[rjstractor]

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
I've ordered a Cybertruck to pull my RV and if I get 150 to 200 miles between charge, I'll be happy because that my normal stop for gas, lunch and toilet breaks anyways.

You might get close to 150-200 miles depending on how big your RV is. IIRC the Model X consumes about 700-900 w/hr per mile on the flat and up to 1800 w/hr per mile on a steep grade towing a 4500 lb horse trailer. I'm assuming the bigger, heavier Cybertruck towing a bigger, heavier trailer will consume more power, say 1 kwh per mile depending on speed and terrain. The 200 kwh battery in the Trimotor Cybertruck might get you close. As battery tech improves, so will capacity. If an electric pickup could get up over 300 kwh in battery capacity it would seriously be in business for RV towing. Of course, the more juice a battery holds the longer it takes to charge. You're looking at two hours for a full charge on a battery that big.

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Reisender wrote:


Meh. Most people around here tow their trailer or boat to the lake on the weekend. Usually Friday after work. Set up and drinking beer by 7 or 8. Most round trips are probably less than 200 km towing. I suspect a cybertruck will tow double that. Most trailers are 25 foot or under or they won’t fit into the provincial or forestry sites. Maybe 7000 pounds. Buy what suits your needs. Most legacy pickups (if any) couldn’t touch a cybertruck for facility unless you start buying caps or tonneau covers or lift kits or inverters or compressors or aftermarket lockable tool boxes not to mention having to chip them to get any kind of performance out of them. And then they still cost 7 or 8 times as much to drive them the same distance.

Regardless. If a gas or diesel truck scratches your itch then get one. Buyers choice.

For ourselves I can’t think of a single compelling reason why I would pick a gas or diesel 1/2 ton truck over a cybertruck. Not to mention legacy trucks are all freakin UGLY. To each his own.

meh. Most people around here don't just go to one lake. They take it to Canyon lake with is 50 miles away, Choke Canyon which is 95 miles away or Amistad which is 200 miles away(Texas is a big state) On top of that, they tow their RV's 150+ miles down to the coast every summer. During the winter, we drive to our deer camps like mine which is 140 miles to get to the gate in Encinal and then another 8 miles off road to get to the camp house. Oh, and there is no electricity there either.

And can't find a compelling reason why I would buy a Tesla for my towing needs because it doesn't have enough energy to do the job, but as you say to each his own.

[Reisender]

mooky stinks wrote:
We haven't even begun to discuss what happens when it's goes down in the teens for months on end. We have 3 months a year that the highs are in the low 30s and lows are mid teens. Just curious, how do you warm the car/truck and keep it warm, and how much does that cut into your range?

It’s called a heater or heat pump depending on manufacturer. Doesn’t take much to heat a car or truck. Once ours is warm I seldom see the draw go over 500 watts. Seats are also heated...and steering wheel. Even mid range cars have 60 KWH batteries now. A 200 kWh battery in a truck wouldn’t see much impact.

Our car is programmed to pre-heat 10 minutes before I step out the door. Car is always toast and warm and defrosted when I get to it. :).