Ford's answers to the NHTSA 6.7 Investigation

[ricatic]

There was a request for a link to Ford's answer's to the NHTSA investigation posted on a previous thread, since closed. Here is the link:

Ford's NHTSA Answers to the 6.7 investigation

This PDF is over 20 pages long. There are some interesting statements contained in the documents. My favorite is the one where Ford says they buy the pump from Bosch as a "black box" and do no testing of the component. It is closely followed by the tantamount admission that the pump will not provide a long service life when exposed to the poor lubricity fuel found in the US. You will have to do the math using the sales versus failure tables for the US and Canadian trucks. Eye opening difference to say the least...

Regards

[The_Mad_Norsky]

A question here.

I bought the extended warranty for my Ford 6.7L diesel.

So if Ford won't warranty the warranty will the worthless warranty welcome willful woebegone warranty websites who watch for willing owners with warranties which were worthless?????


I remain so confused. :h

[FishOnOne]

Ford Doctor is a Ford diesel tech on TDS and feel he's calling a spade a spade. His experience like other Ford diesel techs have seen very few failures and yes some have been covererd by warranty when there is no evidence of contaminated diesel.

Gloom and Doom for the 6.7... I think not!

[Fulltimer50]

🙂

[ricatic]

Fulltimer50 wrote:

milsuperdoc wrote:

Jarlaxle wrote:

ricatic wrote:
I was made aware yesterday that 6.7 HPFP failure thread was ongoing at The Dieselstop and my name had been dragged into the conversation. I stopped posting at TDS after they deleted my 6.,7 debacle thread less than 30 minutes after I posted it...censorship at it's finest. Knowing the history of that site, I was not surprised.

I entered that discussion yesterday. When the negative facts exposed in the Ford answers to the NHTSA investigation began to gain some traction...thread closed...more censorship...I admit though, it survived longer than I thought it would.

I do appreciate the civil tone and enlightening discussion that has led to an education for many of us in this thread.

Regards

TDS jumped the shark a long time ago...it went from an informative site to a highly-censored joke. The administrator (JLester) was/is a paranoid nut.

>
Today, TDS just censored and closed down yet another most informative thread about HPFP failure and Ford warranty denial issues as usual. There was an Audi mechanic who posted that HPFP failure cases for Audi Q7 were covered by Audi warranty, and I guess TDS moderators did not like to see that Ford turns out to be the only company not to honor its warranty.

For me the warranty denial is the heart of the whole problem. That is the scariest part for me. Dont care what the cause is. Dont care who's fault it is. FIX IT. But cover it till you find the fix.

Fulltimer

Thanks for adding your version of the Ford needs to just fix the truck statement. While I have been saying this for 6 months, sometimes a new voice is easier to hear.

Regards

[NewsW]

thomasmnile wrote:

Fulltimer50 wrote:


For me the warranty denial is the heart of the whole problem. That is the scariest part for me. Dont care what the cause is. Dont care who's fault it is. FIX IT. But cover it till you find the fix.

EXACTLY RIGHT, SIR!!!!

Most profound statement in 18 pages!

:W

Warranty denial of a customer that did not use a tuner, mod the vehicle, careful with fuel, no additives used.

The perfect customer for Ford.

That is what got me interested.

[gmcsmoke]

thomasmnile wrote:

Fulltimer50 wrote:


For me the warranty denial is the heart of the whole problem. That is the scariest part for me. Dont care what the cause is. Dont care who's fault it is. FIX IT. But cover it till you find the fix.

EXACTLY RIGHT, SIR!!!!

Most profound statement in 18 pages!

:W

9 pages

[thomasmnile]

Fulltimer50 wrote:


For me the warranty denial is the heart of the whole problem. That is the scariest part for me. Dont care what the cause is. Dont care who's fault it is. FIX IT. But cover it till you find the fix.

EXACTLY RIGHT, SIR!!!!

Most profound statement in 18 pages!

:W

[Fulltimer50]

milsuperdoc wrote:

Jarlaxle wrote:

ricatic wrote:
I was made aware yesterday that 6.7 HPFP failure thread was ongoing at The Dieselstop and my name had been dragged into the conversation. I stopped posting at TDS after they deleted my 6.,7 debacle thread less than 30 minutes after I posted it...censorship at it's finest. Knowing the history of that site, I was not surprised.

I entered that discussion yesterday. When the negative facts exposed in the Ford answers to the NHTSA investigation began to gain some traction...thread closed...more censorship...I admit though, it survived longer than I thought it would.

I do appreciate the civil tone and enlightening discussion that has led to an education for many of us in this thread.

Regards

TDS jumped the shark a long time ago...it went from an informative site to a highly-censored joke. The administrator (JLester) was/is a paranoid nut.

>
Today, TDS just censored and closed down yet another most informative thread about HPFP failure and Ford warranty denial issues as usual. There was an Audi mechanic who posted that HPFP failure cases for Audi Q7 were covered by Audi warranty, and I guess TDS moderators did not like to see that Ford turns out to be the only company not to honor its warranty.

For me the warranty denial is the heart of the whole problem. That is the scariest part for me. Dont care what the cause is. Dont care who's fault it is. FIX IT. But cover it till you find the fix.

[NewsW]

This study is very dated, 2007ish, but it contains an interesting and possibly relevant quote --- that applies to diesel injection systems circa 2007 (and not later).

Chevron Diesel wrote:
ASTM D 975 limits the ash content of most diesel fuels to a maximum of 100 ppm. (Inorganic particles and oil-soluble, metallo-organic compounds both contribute to the
ash content; but, only inorganic particles will cause wear.) The U.S. government has a tighter speci?cation of 10 mg/L (approximately 12 ppm) for all particulate matter. However, neither speci?cation addresses particle size. While most fuel ?lters recommended by engine manufacturers have a nominal pore size of 10 microns, 6 studies by the Southwest Research Institute reveal that the critical particle size for initiating signi?cant abrasive wear in rotary
injection fuel pumps and in high-pressure fuel injection systems is fr
om six to seven microns.

However, as engine designs to reduce emissions result in higher fuel rail and injector pressures,the tighter clearances will have less tolerance for solids and impurities in the fuel. Consequently,
some engine manufacturers are now specifying ?lters with pore size as low as two microns.

Chevron: Diesel Fuel Technical Review 2007

[blt2ski]

uh hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

it was doing well! sorta kinda......way to ruin a great day on the water in the sun! now maybe you can go back to disCUSSing hpf4 soemthing or other pumps. so some murderator will have to close this here thread, as the censoring goes on......grrrrrrrr..........

[larry_barnhart]

rick83864 wrote:
Heck now we're debating which link is more knowledgeable or reputable. Starting to sound similar to our political system. Even the elephants can't agree who to believe.

Easy to see what ass we can not believe. Just sayin
chevman

[Jarlaxle]

ls1mike wrote:

ricatic wrote:
Can you get a Dodge HD 3500 Dually with a gas engine?

Regards

Where I work on Subase I have seen a at least one brand new gasser dually from all of the Big three. If you can get one off the lot? That I don't know.

You'd probably have to order ANY new gas-powered dually.

[45Ricochet]

Heck now we're debating which link is more knowledgeable or reputable. Starting to sound similar to our political system. Even the elephants can't agree who to believe.

[NewsW]

milsuperdoc wrote:

Today, TDS just censored and closed down yet another most informative thread about HPFP failure and Ford warranty denial issues as usual. There was an Audi mechanic who posted that HPFP failure cases for Audi Q7 were covered by Audi warranty, and I guess TDS moderators did not like to see that Ford turns out to be the only company not to honor its warranty.

Wonder if dangling dollars from advertisers have something to do with it.

There almost need to be a new site for all the disaffected posters from other sites.

My experience is that sites need to be moderated, and posts reviewed before it appears to get a quality site.

Quality of operations is essential.

[ls1mike]

ricatic wrote:
Can you get a Dodge HD 3500 Dually with a gas engine?

Regards

Where I work on Subase I have seen a at least one brand new gasser dually from all of the Big three. If you can get one off the lot? That I don't know.