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cosninocanines
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We will be traveling from AZ to AK in June and July and I need some advise. My wife can sleep anytime anywhere but I'm proned to waking up as soon as the sky lightens up. What can I do to help me get to sleep and stay asleep when there's no true darkness. I tried a sleep mask (getting ready) and that didn't really work, how can I do the best job of blacking out (darkening) the sleep quarters in our fifth wheel.
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profdant139
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Hmmm. What about thick black mascara on your eyelids? It will make them more opaque and will amuse everyone you meet!

On second thought, maybe not. 😉
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Scottiemom
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I bought the little "eye masks" but I don't think it will be a problem for us. I, too, can take a nap in daylight if I'm tired.

We leave Monday. Whoohoo!

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2hams2alaska
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We found that the best way to darken the bedroom area in our MH was to close the blinds with the slats in the reverse mode, then use clip on clothes pins to hang a heavy bath towel from each window valence and cover the roof vent with a piece of foam board covered with decorative cloth (secured with velcro). Worked great and we were able to get our normal 7-8 hours. It was very evident to us that with all the daylight throughout the evening that we weren't going to get the normal ques from mother nature that trigger sleepiness. Because of that, it was tempting to stay up late and get just a few hours rest but both the wife and I cannot function well without a good nights sleep. This worked well in 2009 and 2010 and hopefully will again this year. We leave Illinois June 7th. Mike
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cosninocanines
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joe b. wrote:
...I saw people working from "can see to can't see" for a schedule. You work when you need to, and sleep when you can. So depending on how a person is raised, will have a good deal of how that person deals with the 24 hours of daylight in the north.


Thanks my problem exactly I worked road construction in N AZ which had a limited construction season and the "can see to can't see" was exactly our schedule. In the winter plowed snow which was start before there's traffic and quit when your done. Been retired for 11 year and still up and out of bed at the first hint of light.

I appreciate all the great advice from everyone, I think I will have what I need but not cover anything until I have the absolute need to sleep. As mentioned this is a Top Of the Bucket List trip (I also have the Iditarod on my list but it's not on the wife's)so don't want to miss anything if we can help it.
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sue_t
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SideHillSoup wrote:
... and don't forget the roof vent, we also had dark curtains
Soup

That reminds me, the roof vent over our bed is covered with a BLACK vent cover. Maxxair has black covers but most RV suppliers carry the translucent ones, but will order in the black ones. Or just paint the inside of the vent cover with black paint. It really helps!

Because we also have a Fantastic Fan in the bedroom, we have the larger Maxxair II vent cover in place ...
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AprilWhine
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joe b. nailed it. 🙂

For several years in my early career, I worked the night shift: 11 PM to 7 AM. Since most of my friends were from work, we all just kept the same hours on the weekend too. To this day, I have no problems sleeping under most conditions. I've even slept under the #3 arresting gear wire on a carrier.

But the hubby is a much lighter sleeper. I fitted our little RV with the stuff mentioned by Alaska RVer earlier, the silvery bubble wrap stuff. It doesn't get totally dark, as there are light sources I can't block, but it's good enough for him to sleep.
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M_GO_BLUE1
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Pull the shades down...



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alaska_dennis
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Some real good advice from a lot of the northern locals.
I worked on airport radios and navigation equipment for 25 years up here. Slept in a lot of houses with no shades. I still sleep with my back towards the window and I close my eyes and it is dark.
In the summer you need to take power naps and chase weather, tides, sunrise and sunsets. A couple days of that and the power naps will work out.
Have a good trip
dennis

SideHillSoup
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I agree with Sue. As a guy that worked over 25 years of shift work I figured out every trick in the book to sleep during the day.
Tin foil and ear plugs worked for me, and don't forget the roof vent, we also had dark curtains
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sue_t
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Simplest fix is tin foil.

Stick on with electrical tape. Easy to install and easy to remove and easy to replace. Not costly and you likely have a roll in the kitchen.

Then you easily try Joe's advice too ... now that we have daylight until midnight we're often staying up and spending time outside late in the evening. But we both like a dark room when we sleep so there are blackout curtains on the windows, which look like normal curtains but block light. In winter, they also provide a bit of insulation value on our drafty windows!
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PA12DRVR
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Joe....darn if you didn't nail it exactly. Did something similar some years back when I left Los Anchorage in the dark at 1:30 and was just passing over Gulkana when the sun rose over the Wrangells a couple hours later. Spectacular and, with due apologies, can't be duplicated, no-how, no-way, in Ewe-stun Texas.

To the OP, I'd offer the same advice as joe b......stay up until you're tired enough that the light doesn't bother you. Make the odd hours part of the adventure. Pick some evening (i.e. midnight or later in the summer) when you're not tired and wander away from the RV...just enjoy the stillness and the quiet, watch the pale pinks and oranges of sunrise and sunset, both between 2 - 4 a.m. and so forth.

Granted, it's not RV'ng, but one of the real joys I find in the summer (even in the southern banana belt of Los Anchorage area) is to fiddle around at the cabin all night long, then hit the sack about 5 a.m.....some of the best sleep of my life follows.
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joe_b_
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My new computer must be too full of pixels to stop spewing them out. LOL.

Sleep patterns tend to be a cultural matter, IMHO. My wife doesn't buy my advice about just closing her eyes, either, but she was raised as a city girl. Her parents worked the 8 to 5 routine, as did everyone she knew. Whereas, I grew up on a ranch in southern Oklahoma, the cultural center of the universe, so to speak, and I saw people working from "can see to can't see" for a schedule. Care of livestock, doesn't go by a clock or a watch. You work when you need to, and sleep when you can. So depending on how a person is raised, will have a good deal of how that person deals with the 24 hours of daylight in the north.

In Alaska, as Bill mentioned, most locals switch over to what is called "Indian time" in the summers. The original residents of Interior Alaska, that consider themselves to be by heritage, Athabascan Indians, tend to work with nature, not create ways to fight it. When your next winter's food supply is primarily based on hunting, gathering and fishing, you fish when the salmon run, in the summer time. You don't look at your watch and "ah", the weekend is here and I don't have to fish or hunt. If you hope to eat next winter and feed your family, you go at it every hour of the day and night you can do so.

Several summers I worked as a commercial drift net fisherman on the Yukon River. You fished however long the Dept of Fish and Feathers would allow. If the opening was for 72 hours, that is what you spent in your boat. The first 24 hours weren't too bad for staying awake but after that it was tough. I usually would hire one of the teenage boys from a close by fish camp, to fish with me and his only job, was to stay awake and to wake me up as needed as we drifted.

Drift fishing the Yukon is interesting to me. In places the middle and lower river, are between a half mile and a mile wide, slow moving current, much like the lower Mississippi River. (about the same color too) So a fisherman in a river boat will lay out about 300 feet of net, with a lead line on the bottom and a cork line on the top, across the current. Then the outboard engine is used to keep the boat drifting downstream at the same speed as the net. At the end of the drift, after anywhere from one to three hours, you pull in the net, take out the king salmon caught and run back upstream to where you started, and do it all over again. So I would get the net set, the engine set to hold the boat even with the net, and try to go to sleep for the time it took to do the drift. My young employees job was to wake me at the end of the drift or if we snagged the net, or a drift log was going to hit the net. After 2 or 3 drifts, I would catch enough sleep to be able to run the youngster back to where his family was fishing and he could catch some sleep, while I picked up his brother or went back to fish alone for awhile.

Not sure the human body ever gets completely used to sleeping in segments or not. But much of my life, I have done this due to the job I had at the time. So, enjoy the north country as much as you can, while there, as you can sleep when you get back home.

My last job, before retirement, was as a deputy coroner in western Colorado. I don't remember ever signing a death certificate listing "lack of sleep" as the cause of death. 😄
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joe_b_
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I find that just closing my eyes makes it dark inside, try it. One of the few advantages of getting older, that I have found is no one minds me taking a nap after lunch, in my recliner. It is bright daylight in the living room but that sure doesn't stop me from sleeping nor anyone else I know.

Trackrig is so correct in that Alaska and northern Canada operate on a 24 hour system in the summer time, so much to get done before the next winter arrives. To me, even though I worked most of the years I lived in rural Alaska, the time of day often had little effect on activities. I still remember, being out on Tangle Lakes in my kayak, by myself, fly rod in hand trying to fool a grayling into grabbing my fishing fly at 3AM. So still, very few bugs out and about on the water, few other people out, wildlife doing their thing and not paying much attention to a guy on the lake. Then when I would get tired, I would go back to the RV and sleep for a few hours, then get up and go do something else.

Once time when I was living in Galena, 300 miles west of Fairbanks, I had planned to fly into Fairbanks the next day, it was in the summer time. About 10PM it hit me, "why am I waiting till tommorrow to go into see the bright lights?" So I grabbed my travel bag and headed over to the airport to fire up my airplane. Just a beautiful flight into town, for the 3 hour flight. Wasn't a bump in the air to be found, just calm. Arrived in Fairbanks about 3AM and called the airport control tower for landing clearance, from out aways from the airport. The tower operator asked me if I would mind helping them tune their radio system by giving them several long counts, over my aircraft radio, which I did. They recognized my aircraft call sign, as a semi local, as I was into there often. Then they asked if I was in any hurry, which of course I wasn't. So they asked me to do seveal low fly bys down the main runway, without landing, we tested out the VASI (visual approach slope indicator) system at the end of the runway and a few other things. So by this time it was getting close to 4AM, the sun was getting brighter, etc. Landed, grabbed the car, I often kept at the airport in the summer and went into town for breakfast, then saw the people I went into town to see. Rented a room at the old Nordale Hotel downtown (it has since burned) caught a few hours sleep and back out to the airport. It was probably close to 9PM when I lifted off the runway and started making a climbing right turn to head west. Soon, off the left wing tip was the panaramic view of Mount McKinley and the surrounding mountains, ahead of me, the Tanana River flowing to meet up with the mighty Yukon River, just above Tanana. So about midnight I contacted the Galena tower and landed, got the plane parked and tied down and headed to the house. Was in bed by 2AM, give or take, for a few hours sleep before starting another day.

Remember, this is the trip of a lifetime, break out, do somethings differently to create some memories. So that later in life, you can look at your spouse and comment, "remember that hike we took in Alaska in the middle of the night?" These are the things you tell your friends when you get home, not "we put covers over our windows and went to bed every night at 10PM, just like we do here in Badwater, Texas." LOL 🙂
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Old-Biscuit
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Don't forget to plug up the fan/vent in bedroom.

You can get a soft vent cover that just sticks in OR use some Reflectix to cover opening
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