ULSD in Baja

[bajawinters]

We travel every year with groups to Cabo San Lucas, BCS. Many of our friends have had ULSD vehicles and none have reported to us any difficulties in regards to using ULSD in southern Baja.
We would appreciate it if anyone out there has experienced a bad outcome from using ULSD in southern Baja, will you please let us know?
Thank you for your time.

[NinerBikes]

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
Try as I might, RV.NET cut off 50% of the last four paragraphs of my above post so that portion makes no sense at all. Sorry. Less then one percent of the USA UBA diesel feeds the REMAINDER of Baja California the northern state.

Try PMing them to me, or another method... email? Maybe dictate the words, slowly, to that Galaxy S2 smart phone I gave you last year?

[MEXICOWANDERER]

Try as I might, RV.NET cut off 50% of the last four paragraphs of my above post so that portion makes no sense at all. Sorry. Less then one percent of the USA UBA diesel feeds the REMAINDER of Baja California the northern state.

[MEXICOWANDERER]

Much of the petty theft down here is due to an attitude that goes something like this..

"If the owner really wanted for (this) to not be stolen, he would have taken better precautions"

Cristal, methamphetamine, has become a huge problem even in rural towns. People on meth cannot work, their brain is fried.

But the law in Mexico regarding pollution is tightening up. Mexico City and state has mandated laws that force prison sentences on violators. The arcane ten billion laws of Mexico actually force people to circumvent them in order to exist. The society centuries ago got tired of not being able to live by adhering the insane numbers of laws, rules and regulations and they started ignoring them. Many folks do not know when to say when so they start violating many of the existing laws then expanded that little by little to include much of the law and regulations. The government responded by imposing draconian penalties. Politicians were grossly underpaid as were cops. So they started stealing and extorting. The people do not want to pay and the officials are convinced if they abandon their wicked ways, they will starve to death. And the population in general become cynical as hell.

A huge percentage of pipeline thefts are due to ORGANIZED CRIME. The same wonderful folks who receive billions upon billions of dollars sent to Mexico annually to support their demand for cheap at any cost (in lives) drugs. So please knock off racist comments that are not based in fact.

Let's focus on UBA, Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel, shall we?

The -ONLY- reason the US sells ULSD to PEMEX is to provide cross border big rigs with non polluting diesel. The USA is SHORT on ULSD. Mexico has to import a substantial amount of ULSD which is refined in JAPAN. A fifteen hundred mile journey to Mexico City is out of the question as PEMEX claims it would take more than 200 tanker loads a day to supply the city and state. All of the state of Baja California has ULSD because Tijuana, Tecate, and Mexicali all have an enormous volume of cross border trucks. The entire remainder of the state consumes <1% of ULSD and PEMEX would be an idiot to send fuel from La Paz 800-miles north to cover Baja California except in the immediate border zone. The same holds true for regular grade Magna and premium grade Premium. Every last drop in Baja California (NOT Baja Sur) is USA gasoline minus the alcohol. It is illegal to sell or transport gasoline laced with alcohol in all Mexico.

But rest assured, draconian law will insure that every last brand new public transportation vehicle has the latest particulate filter engines. They will be inspected for compliance. The public has already ridiculed city and state officials, so the officials are ultra-sensitive about this point. These UBA vehicle laws will stay enforced.

Speaking of pollution corruption-

Note that to be smogged in California an extremely expensive dynamometer talks by database link direct to state facilities in Sacramento. This system HAD TO BE INCORPORATED to eliminate fraud in the emission compliance laws. The auto insurance industry charges >$20.00 vehicle annually to provide the state with immediate notification of cancellation or non-payment of liability insurance. Too many "honest" uninsured motorists otherwise I suppose.

When Mexico and Mexico the state starts getting Mexican refined UBA the hue and cry will rattle windows north of the Rio Bravo, trust me...

[moisheh]

NinerBikes: Petty theft is common in Mexico. Probably the same as in any country with many poor people. You did bring up something interesting. In many parts of the country Mexicans take the attitude that we foreigners are rich and it is OK to steal anything that is in the open. In our community there has been instances of a truck pulling up in front of a house on the beach and taking everything in the house. Including kitchen cabinets. All this while the police sleep. We have someone looking after our Mexican house for the summer months. If not it would be emptied. Our Canadian home has a monitored alarm. Nothing more than that. Never had any problems. Oil theft is not being done by ordinary Mexicans . The cartels take oil. So that is not part of the culture.

Moisheh

[briansue]

So what is this "culture" of which you speak?

I simply asked what is meant by "culture" in this particular instance.

Calling me a bigot

Nothing I can find in this thread about "bigot".

You probably feel that "profiling" is wrong also, even though law enforcement uses it constantly. Sherriff Joe Arpaio must make your blood boil.

Profiling is ILLEGAL. And the great Sheriff Joe is currently under numerous federal investigations for his illegal activities. He has cost the county millions in law suits and now faces serious fines and jail time. (Read the Constitution).

As I said, you are not following the thread, just following and trolling up myself.

I have followed all threads in this forum for almost 10 years and have been a regular contributor to this Mexico forum for all those years. This is a forum about, for, and by people who are sincerely interested in travel in Mexico and not those who come on this forum to insult Mexico and the Mexican people - as you have done. If you have nothing useful to share than why do you comment? What happens to you in the Los Angeles area has nothing to do with Mexico. I have no interest in you or you silly posts.

More quotes from another thread by this person.....

it seems to permeate their culture, regardless of which side of the border they are on. I suspect it has to do with Indian blood, Indian culture, and Indian giving being acceptable in their culture

I have a distinct opinion formed about them due to the losses I have incurred, as being thieves, and irresponsible.

It has nothing to do with race, it has to do with tribe.

I don't think it matters which side of the border you are on, if they are around, theft can be a bigger problem than without them being around.

I do not know what you would call a person who says these things.

I do suppose this will get the thread closed. Sorry. No answer to what the "culture" he speaks of refers to.

[NinerBikes]

briansue wrote:

What ever gave you the idea that I asked you to respond

I have always understood this is an open forum where anyone can respond. So what is this "culture" of which you speak?

diverting off topic

Topic is ULSD - you brought up "culture and theft"?

mexicowanderer brought up theft of oil from pemex pipelines. You really are not following this thread, just me. Calling me a bigot because I've quoted of multiple occasions where Hispanic folks of Mexican descent have stolen from me. That's a burr under your skin, not mine. You probably feel that "profiling" is wrong also, even though law enforcement uses it constantly. Sherriff Joe Arpaio must make your blood boil.

Mexicowander has made numerous examples/comment of mexicans where he lives stealing everything that is not screwed or nailed down. He quotes them as stealing pemex oil also. A news clip above confirms it.

As I said, you are not following the thread, just following and trolling up myself.

And at the rate you are going, you'll get this thread shut down and closed also.

I want to make you feel special... you are the first person I've ever blocked on this board. Enjoy your special privileges.

I believe in only 2 races... a perfect example can be shown here... around the 2 minute mark.

What every graduate should know.

[briansue]

What ever gave you the idea that I asked you to respond

I have always understood this is an open forum where anyone can respond. So what is this "culture" of which you speak?

diverting off topic

Topic is ULSD - you brought up "culture and theft"?

[NinerBikes]

briansue wrote:

"non USLD" option from the factory (no DPF and other emission stuff). I would have loved to get this option but it wasn't allowed in our jurisdiction.

I am wondering about this question. Is this in Canada? In the US all from 2007 are ULSD. Maybe in Canada not all are ULSD? No ULSD in Mexico so new vehicles do not have the same equipment as those in the US. Maybe not all in Canada are required to have this equipment? Maybe someone in Canada knows?

What is it about the culture and theft?

No idea how to answer this question. What "culture"? There are thieves in all cultures and at all levels of every culture. Bankers and stockbrokers top the list - Bernie Madoff? And so many others. List longer than the long arm of the law. Billionaires!! Thieves all. But minorities at least have a bit more of an excuse - they live in poverty and in some cases stealing is the only way to feed their family. What is the excuse of the "culture" on Wall Street? They stole my retirement!!

What ever gave you the idea that I asked you to respond when I quoted mexicowanderer with my question? Especially when you have acknowledged you have no idea how to answer it, short of baiting or trolling or diverting off topic.

You've reached the point of being an internet stalker and a troll. Give it a rest, as there is a pattern being established that threads you post in get locked down. Terilingua

[briansue]

"non USLD" option from the factory (no DPF and other emission stuff). I would have loved to get this option but it wasn't allowed in our jurisdiction.

I am wondering about this question. Is this in Canada? In the US all from 2007 are ULSD. Maybe in Canada not all are ULSD? No ULSD in Mexico so new vehicles do not have the same equipment as those in the US. Maybe not all in Canada are required to have this equipment? Maybe someone in Canada knows?

What is it about the culture and theft?

No idea how to answer this question. What "culture"? There are thieves in all cultures and at all levels of every culture. Bankers and stockbrokers top the list - Bernie Madoff? And so many others. List longer than the long arm of the law. Billionaires!! Thieves all. But minorities at least have a bit more of an excuse - they live in poverty and in some cases stealing is the only way to feed their family. What is the excuse of the "culture" on Wall Street? They stole my retirement!!

[moisheh]

There are Mexicans that advertise in some of the local papers " We buy Catalytic Converters". They remove them and install a pipe in it's place. Often done to new cars as some of them are very valuable. Blatant disregard for the laws. DPF's require some expertise in deleting the filter from the ECM.

Moisheh

[bighatnohorse]

almcc wrote:

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:




And to top it all Mexico gobernacion has been threatening Pemex because until UBA is available the city and state refuses to buy new buses and transport diesel vehicles.

What a freakin' mess!

I find it surprising that new buses without the DPF's can't be found. When I spec'd our 2011 Ford Super Duty 6.7 diesel pick up one of the options on the list was a "non USLD" option from the factory (no DPF and other emission stuff). I would have loved to get this option but it wasn't allowed in our jurisdiction.

Sounds like an excuse not to spend money on new vehicles!

Those Mexican garage boys would yank those DPF filters off quicker than you can blink an eye.
We know how those Mexicans are; if it ain't workin' - fix it.

[qtla9111]

Anuncian estrategia para combatir la ordeña de ductos

New stategy of sending fuels via pipeline without certain additives that render the fuels useless or damaging to vehicles. These will be added at the end terminals. Should stations buying this fuel sell it they will regret it as it would damage customers cars. Same with selling the fuel to smaller Texas oil companies that have relied on buying stolen fuels in the past.

[NinerBikes]

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:


Mexico is trying desperately to avoid constructing pipelines because of billons of pesos in theft from tapped lines.

What is it about the culture and theft?

Help me understand my brothers to the south?

[moisheh]

almcc: I think you misunderstood. Any buses built in Mexico would be pre ULSD. The state does not want to buy units that will be polluting the city when ULSD is finally available. Remember Mexico city has a huge air pollution problem. No vehicles in Mexico that are for the local market are produced with 07 and higher pollution equipment(DPF & SCR). This has been a battle for about 3 years. I thought they were going to import the ULSD to Mexico City??

Moisheh