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ChooChooMan74
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After seeing This video from The Weather Channel, I am curious at how many campgrounds in "Tornado Alley" have shelters in place. In my opinion, every campground where tornadoes frequent should have a shelter or shelters in place.
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Jim Shoe wrote:
I was doing an overnight at a KOA in southern GA. The owners went to each RV in the park, told us about a tornado watch in the area, explained that both the restroom/showers were reinforced concrete shelters and invited everyone into their office/game room area to ride it out. No tornado, but a very bad storm. The owner had a weather radio going and unlocked the Coke machine. We sat around and told stories until the danger passed. When I left the next morning, I could see where the storm/tornado crossed the road about 10 miles away. That's customer service.


I had the same thing happen while on a trip to the Winnebago Grand Rally. We stopped at a place in Iowa and a little while later, the CG owner came by and told us that we were about to get a storm, and the shelter was the bathhouse. Not being from a tornado area, I chuckled a little, thanked her and went about my business. It's only a rain storm, right?

Soon you could see the storm front coming. I suggested to the wife that we get the rain gear out "just in case" we decided to go to the bathhouse/shelter. Two minutes later the storm hit and I swear that I felt the motorhome move sideways. :E

I grabbed the dog and we bolted for the shelter, where a bunch of other wide eyed pilgrims had already gathered. Fifteen minutes later the event was over. It wasn't a tornado, but I think it was darn close to one.

The next morning I had the chance to see the CG owner and remarked to her about how violent the storm was and thanked her for giving everyone advanced warning. She replied " You should be here when we have a real storm" I think, no.
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I was doing an overnight at a KOA in southern GA. The owners went to each RV in the park, told us about a tornado watch in the area, explained that both the restroom/showers were reinforced concrete shelters and invited everyone into their office/game room area to ride it out. No tornado, but a very bad storm. The owner had a weather radio going and unlocked the Coke machine. We sat around and told stories until the danger passed. When I left the next morning, I could see where the storm/tornado crossed the road about 10 miles away. That's customer service.
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tatest
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COE campgrounds and state parks in Oklahima sometimes have a reinforced concrete bunker, sometimes send you to the bath house.

Until this year, we've had no program for hardened shelters in schools, though some schools have had underground shelters for many years, while others move people to more structurally sound areas of the building complex. The most recent tornado swarm through Oklahoma City, there were deaths in schools in Moore, and most of those were in underground shelters, drownings. This accounted for a number of deaths in shelters at home, as well. FEMA now has drainage standards for shelter installation, starting to recognize that storms spawning tornadoes also often have rainfall in excess of 10 inches per hour.

Sheltering from rare events gets diifficult to justify economically. Even in tornado alley, however you want to define it (really every place between Rockies and Appalacians), your chances of getting killed by a lightning strike are an order of magnitude higher than getting killed by a tornado. But when one does come through a densely populated area, it is a spectacular even, like a plane crash. And like a plane crash, an event once every few years killing 10 to 200 people is more newsworthy than 20,000 events a year killing 20,000 people, or 2,000,000 events per year maiming 500,000.

We tend to focus on the spectacular and ignore or dismiss the real risks of daily life. Particularly when the spectacular events are random and not in human control, while the greater risks are the stupid things we do every day, collectively, to kill ourselves and each other, perceiving that the risks are under our personal control.

Realistically, chances of a direct hit, the place you happen to be, is extremely rare, but these storms are big enough, and powerful enough, that you don't want to be in a RV, mobile home, or other vehicle, because whats on the fringes has enough power that you don't need a direct hit. A small scale permanent structure, even if just reinforced masonry, with withstand most anything but a direct hit. Thus sheltering in the showers.

You also don't want to be in any building with large, unsupported roof spans, which includes most stores and shopping centers, auditoriums and enclosed stadiums, and most churches. They don't need a direct hit by a 200 tornado, the hurricance force winds around supercell thunderstorms will rip off the roof if the tornado misses.

There is this regional myth that tornadoes seek out trailer parks, because most of the time, that's where you find the death and destruction after the storm passes. But it is not that the tornado seeks out, or goes through the trailer parks, it is that the trailers were not built to deal with storm winds. Your RV is of similar density and exposed area, but not anchored down like a trailer, so instead of being flatten, it will go flying. So will your car or truck.
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ChooChooMan74
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I would think the shelters that I saw would be a rather cheap investment for human life. One looked like a concrete box covered in dirt and grass.
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We live in Mississippi and know too well about tornados. They scare the hell out of us since they are so unprediciable. We carry a weather radio in the camper and always ask at checkin where to go in case of severe weather. I don't even want to be in the truck or trailer when winds are gusting over 50 mph.

Another thing to watch is overhead limbs and nearby trees when you arrive to set up at a site. We have changed sites a few times when a large dead limb would be over the camper. I was motorcycle tent camping one time and had just packed up my tent when a very large branch camp down right where my tent was. After that experience, I am careful!
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There are two of these at Illinois Beach State Park. They were built as "beach houses" with locker/changing rooms etc. but they are built of steel reinforced concrete and have two feet thick walls and roofs.



When used as storm shelters they each have a capacity of 300 persons.
(The park has 240 campsites.)
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bigdogger
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ChooChooMan74 wrote:
2oldman wrote:
If they did the rent would go up and nobody would stay there.
Sounds like back woods mentality. It is a few dollars more because they have a safe place in case of a storm, but we won't stay there because of the few extra dollars.
Cost is a big issue. For heaven's sake, schools in tornado alley don't have dedicated underground storm shelters because of cost. While it sounds like a major disaster on the news, tornados actually effect only a very very small land area at any time. Even if your area is under a tornado warning, the fact of the matter is only a small percentage of the area under that warning will suffer damage. Very few businesses in tornado prone areas offer underground shelters. If you are in Walmart or Home Depot of McDonalds during a tornado warning there isn't going to be any underground shelters for you to go to. At an RV park the best course of action is go to the interior area of a building, ground level. Tornados are a risk that really cannot be economically defended against completely, no different than Hurricanes, Floods, Volcanos, Avalanches and any other natural disaster that can strike.

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2oldman wrote:
ChooChooMan74 wrote:
sounds like back woods mentality. It is a few dollars more because they have a safe place in case of a storm, but we won't stay there because of the few extra dollars.
Well, that's how people usually are...cheap.

If the weather forecast is great for the next week, would you pay more for a shelter?


Unfortunately that is exactly true. The realities of covering business cost versus what the customer will pay.

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Ft Amarillo RV Resort in Amarillo, TX has a tornado shelter (basement in their rec center). And their rate was no higher than any other comparable RV park we have stayed in. But other than that one I can't think of another that I remember seeing a specified tornado shelter.

RoyB
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We were told to go to the bathhouse one time. Filled up both MALE an FEMALE sides pretty quick.

I'm good to about 40-45mph wind then I want to vacate my OFF-ROAD POPUP.

Most of the places we have been to you are on your own it seems....

Having NOAH WX Alert receivers is best thing to have. Also the local towns always seem to have a 24/7 radar channel going with the NATL BROADCAST digital HDTV transmissions..

Need to be aware of your surroundings and what county you are in if you have the NOAH ALERT WX receivers.

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2oldman
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ChooChooMan74 wrote:
sounds like back woods mentality. It is a few dollars more because they have a safe place in case of a storm, but we won't stay there because of the few extra dollars.
Well, that's how people usually are...cheap.

If the weather forecast is great for the next week, would you pay more for a shelter?
"If I'm wearing long pants, I'm too far north" - 2oldman

ChooChooMan74
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2oldman wrote:
If they did the rent would go up and nobody would stay there.
Sounds like back woods mentality. It is a few dollars more because they have a safe place in case of a storm, but we won't stay there because of the few extra dollars.
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Francesca_Knowl
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If you're lucky enough to own a molded fiberglass Scamp trailer, you can just ride it out like this fella did in Nebraska last year!



Wild tumble in tornado tossed trailer
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2oldman
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If they did the rent would go up and nobody would stay there.
"If I'm wearing long pants, I'm too far north" - 2oldman