cancel
Showing results for 
Search instead for 
Did you mean: 

Fifth wheel Hitch troubleshooting

JediDZL
Explorer
Explorer
Hello
My Patriot 16k hitch is not locking the jaws all the way around the pin. I have to force the handle in to lock it.. I never had this issue before. Any thoughts on what could be causing this ? Thanks
31 REPLIES 31

Campinfan
Explorer III
Explorer III
I wish the original posters would update us on how things went. I am not trying to be mean but many never update us. It would benefit all of us to know what worked, again not just in this post, but in others.
______________________
2016 F 350 FX4 4WD,Lariat, 6.7 Diesel
41' 2018 Sandpiper 369 SAQB
Lovely wife and three children

Flashman
Explorer II
Explorer II
TXiceman wrote:
Look in the owners manual for the hitch. All hitches do require periodic cleaning and maintenance.

Ken


Wrong - not my Andersen.

ACZL
Explorer
Explorer
Cummins12V98 wrote:
ACZL wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
You will have a mess if you grease the head.


Exactly. All the grease will get pushed off and either end up on edges of the hitch, on the floor of truck or on the rest of the hitch in front part of it.. Plus not to mention that the king pin/hitch on RV will be coated w/ grease and be a "B" if ya run into it.


I assume there is some sort ofd dry lube that can be sprayed on the hitch head?


Dunno. Just going by how the grease ends up on our semis.
2017 F350 DRW XLT, CC, 4x4, 6.7
2018 Big Country 3560 SS
"The best part of RVing and Snowmobiling is spending time with family and friends"
"Catin' in the Winter"

Cummins12V98
Explorer III
Explorer III
ACZL wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
You will have a mess if you grease the head.


Exactly. All the grease will get pushed off and either end up on edges of the hitch, on the floor of truck or on the rest of the hitch in front part of it.. Plus not to mention that the king pin/hitch on RV will be coated w/ grease and be a "B" if ya run into it.


I assume there is some sort ofd dry lube that can be sprayed on the hitch head?
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

ACZL
Explorer
Explorer
Cummins12V98 wrote:
You will have a mess if you grease the head.


Exactly. All the grease will get pushed off and either end up on edges of the hitch, on the floor of truck or on the rest of the hitch in front part of it.. Plus not to mention that the king pin/hitch on RV will be coated w/ grease and be a "B" if ya run into it.
2017 F350 DRW XLT, CC, 4x4, 6.7
2018 Big Country 3560 SS
"The best part of RVing and Snowmobiling is spending time with family and friends"
"Catin' in the Winter"

Cummins12V98
Explorer III
Explorer III
You will have a mess if you grease the head.
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

przao
Explorer
Explorer
I'm using a Curt 20k (about 10 years old) so it is a bit aged. Lately while hitching, I was periodically having problems with the jaws completely closing, so I asked my youngest, who is a big rig trucker to check my hitch because I thought it was worn out. After examining the jaws and the mechanism, he told me it was fine but that I needed to keep the king pin positioned more to the right side of the alignment slot rather than the left when backing up to hitch or the jaws will fail to close completely - he also confirmed that I needed to let the trailer slide up the hitch ramp (which I was already doing).

I watched him doing the examination of the hitch and he manually triggered the jaw closing mechanism with his hands to find the ideal spot to position the pin in the hitch head, which is why he told me to hug the right side of the hitch while backing. I've not had a single problem since I followed his advice. His take home lesson was that you sometimes need to manipulate the particular hitch mechanics to determine it's quirks - even though they are mass produced for uniformity, they change their properties as they age.

On an aside, he uses a portable electric grease gun to generously lube the hitch plate every time he hitches his semis, and told me to do the same because he noticed what he called high pressure wear on my hitch head even though I was using a lube plate.
PZ

Edd505
Explorer
Explorer
Leeblev wrote:
Just a thought...are you backing under the kingpin and then lowering it? Or are you backing into the kingpin, lowered so that your TV raises the 5er slightly when you back? I found that backing into the kingpin will cause the hitch to completely snap shut securely. Think about it...that is how truckers do it. I would back until the pin was about to engage, hook up my power connector and set the brake on the 5er, along with wheel chocks to hold it steady while engaging the kingpin. Hope this helps.


Works well but just lock the trailer brakes by hand and go for it.
2015 F350 FX4 SRW 6.7 Crew, longbed - 2017 Durango Gold 353RKT
2006 F350 SRW 6.0 crew longbed sold
2000 F250 SRW 7.3 extended longbed airbags sold
2001 Western Star 4900EX sold
Jayco Eagle 30.5BHLT sold, Layton 24.5LT sold

TXiceman
Explorer II
Explorer II
Look in the owners manual for the hitch. All hitches do require periodic cleaning and maintenance.

Ken
Amateur Radio Operator.
2023 Cougar 22MLS, toted with a 2022, F150, 3.5L EcoBoost, Crewcab, Max Tow, FORMER Full Time RVer. Travel with a standard schnauzer and a Timneh African Gray parrot

huerun09
Explorer
Explorer
Useful discussion is here!
I'm new and I'm just reading all thread!

Cummins12V98
Explorer III
Explorer III
There is a ZERK but that is for side to side movement. Don’t think there is any other lube required but the top of the support arms.

Look at your owners manual or call B&W.
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

Old-Biscuit
Explorer III
Explorer III
When was last time you cleaned/lubed all the pivot points, points of contact etc?

Sounds like it just needs cleaned and lubed


I do my 4 way articulating head each year....plus repaint job
It 14 yrs old and works like a champ

**Sits in truck 24/7 365 (99% of the time)
Is it time for your medication or mine?


2007 DODGE 3500 QC SRW 5.9L CTD In-Bed 'quiet gen'
2007 HitchHiker II 32.5 UKTG 2000W Xantex Inverter
US NAVY------USS Decatur DDG31

MFL
Nomad II
Nomad II
A Patriot hitch can not be too old (less than 10 yrs). I think a possible issue, the truck may move ahead, a tiny bit, after backing into hitch, and you are using the locking arm to pull truck back.

If you block the FW tires, you can back in, leave truck running in reverse, if you feel comfortable doing this, while getting out to close arm/jaws.

Jerry

Campinfan
Explorer III
Explorer III
I have a different hitch but have the same issue if I have the nose of the trailer too high. I walk that fine line of having it low enough that the kingpin slides up the hitch without it feeling like I am jamming the hitch onto the kingpin causing the trailer getting knocked around a bit. (that is an over simplified explanation). I know I am not hitting it hard or anything, it just feels wrong to have it jar the trailer.

I also think you may want to try to check the lubrication. Could be a combination of both things---too high and too dry. Let us know your outcome.
______________________
2016 F 350 FX4 4WD,Lariat, 6.7 Diesel
41' 2018 Sandpiper 369 SAQB
Lovely wife and three children

stickdog
Explorer
Explorer
fj12ryder wrote:
Might try a good cleaning and relubing. The jaws could be getting gummed/gooked up and not able to move freely.


I agree I'm pushing 90,000 miles on my Companion it's getting a little sticky looking at a complete cleaning.
9-11 WE WILL NEVER FORGET!
FULLTIME SINCE 2010
17 DRV MS 36rssb3
17 F350 King Ranch CC DRW 4x4 6.7 4:10 B&W hitch
John
“A good traveler has no fixed plans, and is not intent on arriving.” Lao Tzu