Ram 2500/Cummins

[KHJPHOTO]

So being new to the fifth wheel community - haven’t bought one yet because I am concerned that my new truck, 2022 2500 4x4 short bed may not tow it safely. Although factory prepped for the hitch; research is showing that the gross weight of 10,000 pounds would be maxed out.

Considering the purchase of a toy hauler . What concerns me is the weight on the bed.
Truck will tow 20,000 pounds. Units looking at are the RAPTOR 351 or a Logan Toy Hauler.

Thank you for your input.

[richclover]

KHJPHOTO wrote:
Yup got the truck - beautiful and love it. Reading here from you guys just thinking it won’t do the job. $70 grand is a hard hit if it won’t do the job!. Speaking with the dealer they tell me the pin weight of a 13,000 lb 5th wheel should be around 1800 lbs; but the specs on the trailer say 3300.

You have a PM.

[rhagfo]

KHJPHOTO wrote:
Yup got the truck - beautiful and love it. Reading here from you guys just thinking it won’t do the job. $70 grand is a hard hit if it won’t do the job!. Speaking with the dealer they tell me the pin weight of a 13,000 lb 5th wheel should be around 1800 lbs; but the specs on the trailer say 3300.

Well don't know how long you have had the truck, but you could consider seeing what kind of deal you could come to. The big issue for you at this time is the lack of stock. The issue with the numbers is many look at payload as how much pin it can carry. Payload is the total of everything added to the TV, including the pin of the 5er. You really are in DRW territory.

[rhagfo]

KHJPHOTO wrote:
So being new to the fifth wheel community - haven’t bought one yet because I am concerned that my new truck, 2022 2500 4x4 short bed may not tow it safely. Although factory prepped for the hitch; research is showing that the gross weight of 10,000 pounds would be maxed out.

Considering the purchase of a toy hauler . What concerns me is the weight on the bed.
Truck will tow 20,000 pounds. Units looking at are the RAPTOR 351 or a Logan Toy Hauler.

Thank you for your input.

Well yes, it will PULL up to 20,000#, the issue is CARRYING the pin weight associated with RV 5er weight. The 20,000# pull capacity is based on pulling a flatbed goose-neck trailer loaded with water tanks and the load adjusted to a pin weight within the capacity of the truck model.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

[bucky]

Pin weights can vary greatly on the same GVWR 5ers. We had a Jayco 14K GVWR with a 1700 pin due to the heavy rear bunk room running a 2500 and were in RAWR and tire load capacity. We traded for a Blue Ridge 14K GVWR with higher end components and a different layout with a pin of 2900 plus. Scaled it first trip, bought a dually.
The OP may have to go to a TT toy hauler if he doesn't want to up his truck game. The good news is that the OP is aware that weights matter unlike so many others just getting into the RV craze.

[valhalla360]

From the 2022 brochure

Raptor 351:
Dry Weight13,373 lbs.
Payload Capacity3,627 lbs.
GVWR17,000 lbs.
Hitch Weight3,020 lbs.

Tandem axle

Note: The listed hitch weight typically assumes an empty unit, so expect it to go up when you load her up.

[Cummins12V98]

"Speaking with the dealer they tell me the pin weight of a 13,000 lb 5th wheel should be around 1800 lbs; but the specs on the trailer say 3300."

Tell your Dealer they are an IDDIOT. 13k at a MINIMUM is 2,600#. Is that the Loaded weight of the RV???

[Cummins12V98]

"IF" the ToyHauler is a triple axle the pin weight may be in the 15% range and possibly would not exceed the OP's RAWR. But the scales tell the tale!

[MFL]

Toy Haulers normally have a heavy pin. This is to offset the wt of toys behind the axles. A toy hauler often has a built in generator, plus large fresh water tank. Many will have on board fuel tank.

Look at your tires. Are the rears rated to 7,000 combined, maybe 7,500? If you add suspension support, for the springs, to level the truck, the limit will still be tires/wheels.

Like I said, a TH loaded to an actual wt of 14K will be close to limit. Will it break, fall apart towing a 15K TH? Probably not. A 3500 SRW not much better (likely same tires/wheels), so a DRW would be next step.

Jerry

[wowens79]

KHJPHOTO wrote:
Yup got the truck - beautiful and love it. Reading here from you guys just thinking it won’t do the job. $70 grand is a hard hit if it won’t do the job!. Speaking with the dealer they tell me the pin weight of a 13,000 lb 5th wheel should be around 1800 lbs; but the specs on the trailer say 3300.

Pin weight is normally 20-25% of trailer weight, so I doubt it will be 1800lbs.

The way trucks are right now, you might come out ok selling it and buying again. 3500's are not more. Might be able to do an almost even swap.

[KHJPHOTO]

Yup got the truck - beautiful and love it. Reading here from you guys just thinking it won’t do the job. $70 grand is a hard hit if it won’t do the job!. Speaking with the dealer they tell me the pin weight of a 13,000 lb 5th wheel should be around 1800 lbs; but the specs on the trailer say 3300.

[valhalla360]

Did you take possession of the truck yet? Any chance you could change out for a dually? Usually the cost difference it pretty minimal.

[KHJPHOTO]

Sigh, guess I will hotel,it!

Thanks all for your input

[cummins2014]

KHJPHOTO wrote:
Thanks. Pin weight is 3300 lbs, max rated for the PU is 4,000; so should be fine.

Unfortunately many tow these toy haulers with those weights with 3/4 ton pickups ,but that's beyond their safe capability , you are looking at dually numbers here .

[valhalla360]

KHJPHOTO wrote:
Thanks. Pin weight is 3300 lbs, max rated for the PU is 4,000; so should be fine.

Double check those numbers.
- I pulled up the trailer specs and GVWR is right around 17,000lb. Assuming 20-25% pin weight, that's 3400-4250lb on the pin.
- The highest payload I could find for a 2022 shortbed 4x4 was 3,160lb and that's a stripped down 6.4l gas engine model. There's a "limited" diesel with only 1,640lb payload. Check the sticker on the door frame.
- Keep in mind, you need payload for the hitch, passengers and anything else in the truck, that all counts against your payload.

Honestly, 17k 5th wheels are really better suited to diesel duallies (and if you search my posts, I'm a proponent of gas trucks most of the time but this is a big enough trailer, diesel and dually makes sense)

I'm not saying you will go out in a fiery blaze of glory within the first 50ft but it seems silly when buying new to go substandard.

[MFL]

KHJPHOTO wrote:
Thanks. Pin weight is 3300 lbs, max rated for the PU is 4,000; so should be fine.

Max pin for truck 4K? Where does this come from? I doubt your R axle rating will allow an additional 4K?

You say pin wt 3,300? Is this dry wt? You need to figure the pin wt of a loaded trailer, ready to camp. What is GVWR of toy haulers you're looking at?

The 10,000 GVWR of your truck is not the issue, but axle ratings/tire max ratings are.

You may be able to carry a pin of a 14K loaded toy hauler, but probably not much beyond that.

Jerry