Real world toy hauler weights

[jklennon]

Hi, I just purchased a 2016 escalade esv with a 6.2 and 8 speed transmission. I have a 5th wheel now that I pull with my duramax. I was thinking abouthe down sizing to a bumper pull toy hauler that I could pull with my escalade and my truck. When being pulled with the escalade it would only haul bicycles and when I need the golf cart I would use the truck to haul it. The dry weight on the trailer we are looking at is 6700lbs, the max tow on the escalade is 8150. what is the real world weight of a toy hauler with a normal load? I know this is not a solid number but what do you folks weigh when loaded vs unloaded. BTW no kids just dogs, my wife and me. Usually weekend trips. GVWR on trailer is 10,000lbs or so.

[nayther]

Some manufacturers put the dry weight on the sticker without any accessories and that really fools you. When my son was shopping for his Sandstorm they claimed that the weight on the sticker was actual weight for that particular trailer, they are weighed when complete. I tend to believe them as no two trailers were the same.

[trail-explorer]

jklennon wrote:
what is the real world weight of a toy hauler with a normal load?

Depend on how much water you put in the fresh water tanks as well as how much "stuff" you load in it.

[PUCampin]

You can also purchase a portable scale made by sherline and take it with you to check the tongue weight of any bumper pull yourself. Tongue weight / payload is the weakness of nearly all half tons. If the tongue weight works the rest of the trailer likely will too. Granted as the trailer sits on the lot it is pretty dry, it would give you a starting point and let you know if it is in the realm of possible or to forget it.

[Y-Guy]

jklennon wrote:
I see. The toy hauler is a winnebago spyder 24fq. Could i have the trailer weighed at the dealership? I know it will be empty but it could give me a starting point i guess? Thanks again for your help.

Yes!!! Most dealerships have portable scales, or they can take them to a scale. Just tell them without an actual weight you'll have to pass, if they know a sale is on the line they will figure it out.

[lincster]

jklennon wrote:

lincster wrote:
You are asking good questions, but making mistakes.

Asking real world weights is good.
Going to manufactures weights is bad.

Real life example and weights.

My 2004 Weekend Warrior FS3000 had a tongue weight listed from Warrior of 950lbs.
I bought a tongue weight scale and measured at the ball.

No water, no toys etc. Actual tongue weight scale was 1400lbs.
Full water, no toys. Actual tongue weight scale went to 1700lbs.
4 full size quads. full water, Actual tongue weight went back to 1400lbs. I bought a WD system capable of 1500lbs and bought a new receiver for my truck to match the weights.

My trailer had 3 axles. My buddy has a FS2600 by Warrior, 2 axles. Same scenarios tested as above.

1700lbs
2100lbs
1700lbs

So, as you can see, real world tongue weight is much different than a brochure.

IMO, any full size toyhauler is too much for an 1/2 ton chassis vehicle.

I see. The toy hauler is a winnebago spyder 24fq. Could i have the trailer weighed at the dealership? I know it will be empty but it could give me a starting point i guess? Thanks again for your help.

Some dealerships do, some don't.

Depends on how bad they want to make a sale.
If you tell them you have to have the weights before you will buy it, that will really show you how bad they want to work with you.

[Sandia_Man]

Our TT TH was grossly understated in real world tongue weight as compared to brochure tongue weights, when garage is loaded lightly and carrying any water the issue was magnified. Although some modern half-tons have impressive towing capacities many still have anemic payloads, unfortunately most TT THs have more tongue weight than comparable standard TTs of similar size.

[jklennon]

lincster wrote:
You are asking good questions, but making mistakes.

Asking real world weights is good.
Going to manufactures weights is bad.

Real life example and weights.

My 2004 Weekend Warrior FS3000 had a tongue weight listed from Warrior of 950lbs.
I bought a tongue weight scale and measured at the ball.

No water, no toys etc. Actual tongue weight scale was 1400lbs.
Full water, no toys. Actual tongue weight scale went to 1700lbs.
4 full size quads. full water, Actual tongue weight went back to 1400lbs. I bought a WD system capable of 1500lbs and bought a new receiver for my truck to match the weights.

My trailer had 3 axles. My buddy has a FS2600 by Warrior, 2 axles. Same scenarios tested as above.

1700lbs
2100lbs
1700lbs

So, as you can see, real world tongue weight is much different than a brochure.

IMO, any full size toyhauler is too much for an 1/2 ton chassis vehicle.

I see. The toy hauler is a winnebago spyder 24fq. Could i have the trailer weighed at the dealership? I know it will be empty but it could give me a starting point i guess? Thanks again for your help.

[lincster]

You are asking good questions, but making mistakes.

Asking real world weights is good.
Going to manufactures weights is bad.

Real life example and weights.

My 2004 Weekend Warrior FS3000 had a tongue weight listed from Warrior of 950lbs.
I bought a tongue weight scale and measured at the ball.

No water, no toys etc. Actual tongue weight scale was 1400lbs.
Full water, no toys. Actual tongue weight scale went to 1700lbs.
4 full size quads. full water, Actual tongue weight went back to 1400lbs. I bought a WD system capable of 1500lbs and bought a new receiver for my truck to match the weights.

My trailer had 3 axles. My buddy has a FS2600 by Warrior, 2 axles. Same scenarios tested as above.

1700lbs
2100lbs
1700lbs

So, as you can see, real world tongue weight is much different than a brochure.

IMO, any full size toyhauler is too much for an 1/2 ton chassis vehicle.

[Wild_Card]

jklennon wrote:

jklennon wrote:

Wild Card wrote:
Tongue weight on a bumper pull is a problem. Most are going to be in the 1500# range empty then they get a tad lighter when loaded.

Interesting, I didnt think about that but i get it. The escalade has auto load leveling rear suspension with magnetic ride control but i havent used it on anything to know how well it works...thank you for your input ill have to search out the capacity.

so the max tongue weight with distribution is 1250lbs, the dry tongue weight of the trailer is 760lbs according to manufacturers so i should be okay on that number!

When they say dry...thats dry. Add water,gear,cloths and propane. My last bumper pull hauler was the same. Mfg indicated 760 dry. I was 1250 ready to camp with a 8k gross trailer. Loaded with toys I was back to 800 tongue on a 11500 gross trailer. The trailer was uncontrolable due to very low loaded tounge weight with toys...behind a 1 ton dually.

I sold it for a 5th wheel.

Just givin you some more math for the equation

[jklennon]

jklennon wrote:

Wild Card wrote:
Tongue weight on a bumper pull is a problem. Most are going to be in the 1500# range empty then they get a tad lighter when loaded.

Interesting, I didnt think about that but i get it. The escalade has auto load leveling rear suspension with magnetic ride control but i havent used it on anything to know how well it works...thank you for your input ill have to search out the capacity.

so the max tongue weight with distribution is 1250lbs, the dry tongue weight of the trailer is 760lbs according to manufacturers so i should be okay on that number!

[jklennon]

Wild Card wrote:
Tongue weight on a bumper pull is a problem. Most are going to be in the 1500# range empty then they get a tad lighter when loaded.

Interesting, I didnt think about that but i get it. The escalade has auto load leveling rear suspension with magnetic ride control but i havent used it on anything to know how well it works...thank you for your input ill have to search out the capacity.

[Wild_Card]

Tongue weight on a bumper pull is a problem. Most are going to be in the 1500# range empty then they get a tad lighter when loaded.