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352
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Does anyone have any information from the tire manufacturer why we should use trailer tires instead of truck tires on trailers? If all the side wall ply and tread ply are the same, what is the difference?
The manatees of Halls river Homosassa Springs Fl

1985 Chevy Silverado c10. 454 stroker / 495 CI = 675 HP. 650lb of torque. Turb0 400 tranny. 3000 stall converter. Aluminum heads. 3 inch exhaust flowmasters. 2 inch headers. Heat and air. Tubed.
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RustyJC
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That's pretty tight. It's too bad you've already bought the LT235/85R16 tires as there's also a LT245/75R16 Michelin XPS Rib that has the same load rating but is about 1.6" shorter in diameter (32.2" versus 30.6"), according to the spec sheet. Any chance of swapping them???


Rusty
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Rebel1
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After reading all the post's I went with the Michelin XPS rib LT235/85R16 on my 2006 HitchHiker II, which I recently purchased. The manufacturers tire size tag says to use the LT not the ST like the trailer had on it when I bought it. My concern now is that with the LT235/85R16 is quite a bit larger in diameter than the ST235/80R16. Consequently I now only have 1/2 inch clearance between the tires! Is this enough clearance?
Thanks

RustyJC
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RinconVTR wrote:
RustyJC wrote:
RinconVTR wrote:
Old-Biscuit wrote:
I use LT tires on my truck and trailers.......


Show us the LT tires on your trailer are anything you'd mount on a truck.


I ran LT235/85R16E Michelin XPS Ribs on both my 2002 Ram 3500 dually and my 2000 Jayco Designer XL 3610RLTS quite successfully. This is an all-steel construction all position tire that's widely used as both a truck and trailer tire by oil field hot-shotters because of its toughness, durability and long tread life.


Yes, that is a great tire, but not common in the snow belt, thus not often recommended in most areas of the US.


There's always the Michelin XPS Traction variant with the same carcass construction and a more aggressive tread pattern.

RinconVTR wrote:
You were lucky to find a size match for truck and trailer. Today's truck tire sizes make it practically impossible and sizes that do fit common trailer sizes wont be found in common truck tire sizes. There are very few exceptions.


In my current case, the trailer runs Goodyear G114 tires in a 215/75R17.5H size designation (no P, LT or ST designation whatsoever) while the truck runs an LT235/80R17 tire, so especially with heavier trailers, there's not much chance for commonality between truck and trailer sizing as trailers generally run 14", 15", 16" or 17.5" tires while today's HD trucks start at 17" and go up from there.

Rusty
2014.5 DRV Mobile Suites 38RSSA #6972

2016 Ram 3500 Dually Longhorn Crew Cab Long Bed, 4x4, 385/900 Cummins, Aisin AS69RC, 4.10, 39K+ GCWR, 30K+ trailer tow rating, 14K GVWR

B&W RVK3600

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Rincon, I don't think anyone was saying they used the same size or tread pattern on their truck and trailer. Just that they ran LT's on both. There are lots of LT tires the correct size for RV's. Most of the time they are are a highway rib pattern which is great for RV's.
Regards, Rodney
TV - 2017 F350 SRW CC SB 4X4 6.7
TH - 2015 FR XLR 395AMP

RinconVTR
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RustyJC wrote:
RinconVTR wrote:
Old-Biscuit wrote:
I use LT tires on my truck and trailers.......


Show us the LT tires on your trailer are anything you'd mount on a truck.


I ran LT235/85R16E Michelin XPS Ribs on both my 2002 Ram 3500 dually and my 2000 Jayco Designer XL 3610RLTS quite successfully. This is an all-steel construction all position tire that's widely used as both a truck and trailer tire by oil field hot-shotters because of its toughness, durability and long tread life.

Rusty


Yes, that is a great tire, but not common in the snow belt, thus not often recommended in most areas of the US. You were lucky to find a size match for truck and trailer. Today's truck tire sizes make it practically impossible and sizes that do fit common trailer sizes wont be found in common truck tire sizes. There are very few exceptions.

RustyJC
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RinconVTR wrote:
Old-Biscuit wrote:
I use LT tires on my truck and trailers.......


Show us the LT tires on your trailer are anything you'd mount on a truck.


I ran LT235/85R16E Michelin XPS Ribs on both my 2002 Ram 3500 dually and my 2000 Jayco Designer XL 3610RLTS quite successfully. This is an all-steel construction all position tire that's widely used as both a truck and trailer tire by oil field hot-shotters because of its toughness, durability and long tread life.

Rusty
2014.5 DRV Mobile Suites 38RSSA #6972

2016 Ram 3500 Dually Longhorn Crew Cab Long Bed, 4x4, 385/900 Cummins, Aisin AS69RC, 4.10, 39K+ GCWR, 30K+ trailer tow rating, 14K GVWR

B&W RVK3600

RinconVTR
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Old-Biscuit wrote:
I use LT tires on my truck and trailers.......


Show us the LT tires on your trailer are anything you'd mount on a truck.

time2roll
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JIMNLIN wrote:
The P tire isn't speed restricted and the best part they have non of the ST tire problems at any speed.
Yes it is restricted although the limit is probably much higher than 65mph.
May need to dig into the fine print to find additional restrictions for trailer use.

JIMNLIN
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transamz9 wrote:
Old-Biscuit wrote:
kydale wrote:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=219

Enjoy


Who would use 'P' rated tire on a trailer :H


I have "P" rated on my bass boat duel axle trailer.

P tires come OEM on lots of trailers (all types) usually under 7k or so.

I kept 14"-15" P tires on all my single axle boat trailers.

I also have a 7k 18' car hauler with two 3500 lb axles...... I keep P XL tires @ 51 psi on it. The 51 psi keeps the bead seated.
The P tire isn't speed restricted and the best part they have non of the ST tire problems at any speed.
"good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" ............ Will Rogers

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fj12ryder wrote:
Anyone who avers that ST tires have stiffer sidewalls has never compared them side by side. I have, and I can tell you the ST tires I compared, Carlisle BTW, had sidewalls that were made of tissue paper compared to the LT tires I had on hand: Sailun S637.


The Sailun's are a great tire! One update on them though. They are now classified as ST. Same exact construction but they changed them to ST to beat the import tax on LT tires or some such thing. So, the old argument of ST vs. LT just got a new twist now that there is finally a high quality ST tire. Albeit an LT in ST clothing...
Regards, Rodney
TV - 2017 F350 SRW CC SB 4X4 6.7
TH - 2015 FR XLR 395AMP

transamz9
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Old-Biscuit wrote:
kydale wrote:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=219

Enjoy


Who would use 'P' rated tire on a trailer :H


I have "P" rated on my bass boat duel axle trailer.
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jadatis
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reaction to above.

I did not state that ST tires รกlways have stronger sidewalls but if done it also influences the heatproduction.

My believe is that some ST tires are as LT tires constructed and set in the market as ST with higher maximum load calculated for the more deflection allowed for lower speed.

Also ST tires are in the market with 35 psi AT pressure , and I suspect them to be constructed as P-tire and set in the market as ST, with at most a bit lesser profile.

For Motorhomes in Europe , where I live, Continental and Michelin and mayby also others, have Special camper tires with given as information stonger sidewalls. Most are D-load/8PR with AT pressure of 4.8 bar/69/70 psi, wich is a bit higher then USA system 65 psi, to my conclusion to compensate for the more heatproduction because of the stonger /stiffer sidewall.

Michelin prints maximum pressure of 5.5 bar/80 psi on it, the same as standard load and XL only give maximum pressure.

Continental calles them Vanco camper tires.
They give maximum load xxxx kg/lbs AT 69 psi ( cold) but also maximum allowed pressure of 80 psi/5.5 bar .
Also they often give a second loadindex for other maximum speed, the same as is done on most truck-tires in Europe.
Sometimes higher speedcode and lower Loadindex , other time lower speedcode and higher loadindex given.

But also for these camper tires , I suspect them to be only slightly different then the normal C-tire ( Eur for LT).

fj12ryder
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Anyone who avers that ST tires have stiffer sidewalls has never compared them side by side. I have, and I can tell you the ST tires I compared, Carlisle BTW, had sidewalls that were made of tissue paper compared to the LT tires I had on hand: Sailun S637.
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jadatis
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352 wrote:
Does anyone have any information from the tire manufacturer why we should use trailer tires instead of truck tires on trailers? If all the side wall ply and tread ply are the same, what is the difference?


My conclusion is that, whatever the tire- and traler-makers advice, its better to use LT tires for Trailers or if keep using ST tires, calculate the pressure and determine the maximum load needed for ST tires with same criteria as LT tires.

Special trailer tires have lesser profile mostly because milage is generally lower and with lesser profile the cooling down of inside of treath is a bit better.
Also reinforced sidewalls wich makes them stiffer is done.
But this makes the tire produce more heat , and thats the problemm.
That is why Special trailer tires often give tire-failure.
They are calculated in their maximum load for more deflection allowed.

But this more deflection gives more heatproduction.
The lesser profile makes it cooldown a bit better, but the stiffer sidewalls makes it produce even more heat .

Probably when you drive 65 m/h and with maximum load on it and AT pressure in it , the heatproduction is so that no spot of the rubber of tire gets above the temperature at wich the rubber hardens and crackes in next bendings of that rubber so deflections of tire.

But a little overloading in combination with a bit to high pressure reading will give more deflection so more heatproduction so the rubber gets to hot and damages .
In next example I will give an idea of how bad it can get,
You can scipp that if its to technical.

Example: Say you have axles weighed at 5000 lbs each with single load so 2 tires on one axle.
Tires 2500 lbs AT 50 psi on sidewall written ST tires.
Then simple maximum load per tire so needed pressure 50 psi you would think.

But now the loaddivision is 49/51% on the axle ( 47/53 often weighed) and your pressure measurement device gives 5% to high pressure.
Then weight on "heavyest"tire 2550 lbs and real pressure in tire when measured 50 psi is 47.5 psi.
47.5 psi is then for loadcapacity aproximately 2380 lbs.
Real weight on tire 2550 lbs . so surface on ground aproximately 2550/2380=1.07 times what is allowd , and I found out that deflection of tire is quadratical to surface on ground aproximately.
Then squaire 1.07=1.145 times as much deflection and I asume also 1.145 times as much heatproduction a cicle of tire.
This would need 1/1.145= 0.87 times as much cicles an hour to give the same heatproduction so heat of rubber the same .
Asuming number of cicles to be the same as speed ( wich it is not but close) then 0.87 x 65m/h= 56.5 m/h critical speed at wich rubber gets to hot so tire damage begins.


Using now an LT tire wich is calculated in its maximum load for lesser deflection so speed of 99m/h mostly , gives the tire more reserve for misreadings of pressure-devices and unequall loading.

Then I am not even talking about estimating the loads on axles or tires , wich makes the deviation even more.

Best is to calculate the needed pressure for a ST tire with the same reserves as for LT to give it lesser deflection and so lesser heatproduction.
Then still acceptable shockabsorbing of tires, the same as LT tire would give.

This could lead to a higher pressure then the here 50 psi AT pressure/maxloadpressure, but is often allowed by the tire-maker up to 10 psi extra. Adviced for higher speed then, but you can use it for what you want.

Topic of mine about the relation between maximum speed and maximum load of tire here

RustyJC
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kydale wrote:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=219

Enjoy


Hmmmm....I wonder what the Tire Rack "experts" would say about the Goodyear G614 RST - an LT tire (LT235/85R16G) for trailer only service.

Rusty
2014.5 DRV Mobile Suites 38RSSA #6972

2016 Ram 3500 Dually Longhorn Crew Cab Long Bed, 4x4, 385/900 Cummins, Aisin AS69RC, 4.10, 39K+ GCWR, 30K+ trailer tow rating, 14K GVWR

B&W RVK3600