Truck Question - duallie or single?

[irollman]

I'm considering purchasing a 5th wheel to replace my Class A. It would be a full-timer rig, so it won't be hauled a lot. But I'd end up using the truck as a daily driver, or mostly so. Looking to get a 1-ton, as I'm looking for a more comfy 5er, which means bigger.

So, would a rear end with single wheels do OK, or is that a real no no, and should I go duallie?

[4x4ord]

I think the extra side walls of a dually are overrated. Try letting all the air out of your buddy's inner duals and see how long it takes him to notice his truck doesn't handle his trailer very well.

[JIMNLIN]

gsbrockman wrote:

neal10a wrote:
Also with a SRW F350 with the rear sway bar otpion it would handle as well as a dually.

So.....if I’m understanding this correctly.....a simple rear sway bar (and four sidewalls) on a SRW will replace the enhanced handling characteristics of eight sidewalls on the rear of any DRW truck, correct???? :R

brockman has taken neals reply out of context......
Neal said;
**If pin wieght is 3600(.2 of 18000) that leaves plenty of room for other stuff/passengers. I agree that 18000 GVW trailer would max wieght for a 2017 or newer F350. Also with a SRW F350 with the rear sway bar otpion it would handle as well as a dually.**

Neal is talking about a 18k trailer with 20 percent hitch weigh on a F350 SRW. Some F350 SRW have over 4000 lbs payloads.

Makes a difference in answers when we take just a part of what someone says.

[transamz9]

rhagfo wrote:


I agree!
No way a sway bar makes up for the extra four sidewalls of a DRW. I tow a 12,360# with a 2001 Ram 2500 with Camper package same rear springs and sway bar as DRW 3500. while I don't have an issue with this setup, we are looking newer and it will be a DRW. We are currently full time SP Hosting and move as often as once a month or as seldom as once every three months. Down the road we may get a larger 5er so a DRW will make travel more comfortable.

Dont sell yourself short bud. My SRW megacab is pretty dang comfy running down the road @ 29k

[transamz9]

Cummins12V98 wrote:


Sir, my answer is NOOOOOOOO.

Have you done it in a new SRW?

[rhagfo]

I agree!
No way a sway bar makes up for the extra four sidewalls of a DRW. I tow a 12,360# with a 2001 Ram 2500 with Camper package same rear springs and sway bar as DRW 3500. while I don't have an issue with this setup, we are looking newer and it will be a DRW. We are currently full time SP Hosting and move as often as once a month or as seldom as once every three months. Down the road we may get a larger 5er so a DRW will make travel more comfortable.

[Cummins12V98]

gsbrockman wrote:

neal10a wrote:
Also with a SRW F350 with the rear sway bar otpion it would handle as well as a dually.

So.....if I’m understanding this correctly.....a simple rear sway bar (and four sidewalls) on a SRW will replace the enhanced handling characteristics of eight sidewalls on the rear of any DRW truck, correct???? :R

Sir, my answer is NOOOOOOOO.

[gsbrockman]

neal10a wrote:
Also with a SRW F350 with the rear sway bar otpion it would handle as well as a dually.

So.....if I’m understanding this correctly.....a simple rear sway bar (and four sidewalls) on a SRW will replace the enhanced handling characteristics of eight sidewalls on the rear of any DRW truck, correct???? :R

[cummins2014]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"The thing is the SRW trucks still have limited payload. By the time you load your hitch, fuel and family in the truck you don't have enough payload to handle the pin weight of many 5vers over 16000 lbs"

These stats are VERY deceiving but factual!

Hey the book says I can tow a 20k 5er with my SRW!!!

They all have a limited payload, thats why we have a choice, and are SUPPOSED to stay under those ratings.

You are probably right at the limit or above all your weight ratings towing the size of fifth wheel you do. You keep talking about a panic situation , I am sure like a lot of us you have had them to SOME degree . IMO in a hard maneuver that fifth wheel you are towing, its truly going to be the tail wagging the dog.

I have come to the conclusion a long time ago, towing these big fifth wheels , its a lot more about defensive driving then having a DWR or SWR truck.

[cummins2014]

transamz9 wrote:
And us the have both but still prefer a SRW know that the SRW trucks today are very capable for 99% of 5ers sold today especially if towing every now and then. There is a dually crowd on here though that thinks one should buy a dually for anything because they are more stable. Funny thing is that if they were truly buying there truck because of stability they themselves would have bought a class 8 because they are again more stable than the little duallys they try to push on people. I mean, you can never have too much truck, right?

You have a good point here, the loudest on here when it comes to having to have a DWR, tows a monster of a fifth wheel with it. IMO its too much fifth wheel for any of these 1 ton trucks SRW or DWR.

I know how a SRW 1 ton handles 13-14K, there is no way I would want to tow much heavier with a SRW or DWR. Been doing this now for nearly 13 years, I think I can speak from experience.

[transamz9]

And us the have both but still prefer a SRW know that the SRW trucks today are very capable for 99% of 5ers sold today especially if towing every now and then. There is a dually crowd on here though that thinks one should buy a dually for anything because they are more stable. Funny thing is that if they were truly buying there truck because of stability they themselves would have bought a class 8 because they are again more stable than the little duallys they try to push on people. I mean, you can never have too much truck, right?

[Campinghoss]

Generally I will not get into these types of discussions but I have been reading these all along. I cannot believe it has gone on for 6 pages. It is apparent that generally, not always, but a lot more than one thinks, when a thread is started on a subject like this the poster more or less has their mind set on what they want. It always seems to morph into trying to convince the population our thoughts are more correct than theirs.

We who have duallies know what the advantages are and what the disadvantages are. Like the majority of the posters on this thread I have had both. But I realize a dually is not for everyone. If I sold my fiver and got out of camping I would sell my dually in a heartbeat and get a F-150 gasser. Sometimes experience the hard way is by far the best teacher. Off my soapbox now. Safe travels everyone.

[Cummins12V98]

"The thing is the SRW trucks still have limited payload. By the time you load your hitch, fuel and family in the truck you don't have enough payload to handle the pin weight of many 5vers over 16000 lbs"

These stats are VERY deceiving but factual!

Hey the book says I can tow a 20k 5er with my SRW!!!

[4x4ord]

justme wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
For fivers under 16000 lbs I believe the advantages of a SRW out weigh any advantage a dually might have. Many fivers over 16000 lbs and all over 20,000 lbs require a dually.

That was true for pre 2017 F350 SRW which has increased to 18000 GVW trailers.

18000 lbs is the maxomum convetional tow rating for the new F350 SRW. 20800 is the maximum 5th wheel and goose neck trailer tow rating for the new f350 SRW. The thing is the SRW trucks still have limited payload. By the time you load your hitch, fuel and family in the truck you don't have enough payload to handle the pin weight of many 5vers over 16000 lbs. As has been mentioned, there are some heavy tridem axle toy haulers and heavy gooseneck trailers that have relatively light pin weights.

[Cummins12V98]

What does "trailers" mean??? This is where people get in trouble IMHO.

[justme]

4x4ord wrote:
For fivers under 16000 lbs I believe the advantages of a SRW out weigh any advantage a dually might have. Many fivers over 16000 lbs and all over 20,000 lbs require a dually.

That was true for pre 2017 F350 SRW which has increased to 18000 GVW trailers.