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Trying to decide which toy hauler to buy.

schaffer
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First off, I'd like to Thank all of you in advance.

We are in the process of purchasing our first fifth wheel toy hauler and have narrowed it down to 3 units. We're looking at the Momentum, Fuzion and Cyclone. I would truly appreciate any info you can give regarding the units and which in your opinion is better. We plan on using it year round and covering a lot of ground. Majority of the time it'll be my wife, daughter, daughter's friend and myself. Overall reliability, durability, options, customer service, and if one pulls better than the other.

*Deciding on a truck as well. Thoughts about using a Dodge Cummins 3500 Mega Cab DRW (short box)? How's the stability using a sliding 5th wheel on a short box, or am I better off with a long box dually?

Thank You Again!!!
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KKELLER14K
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Wow! there is some info....thank you ramgunner...a lot to digest but you have obviously been there... steer us strait. I'm still a little concerned with the jumping in with something so large...many of us have worked our way up here and you vets know what I'm saying.

ramgunner
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The 399TH should be a great unit. I think you will be very pleased with Grand Design. We have NO regrets about them. Our 385TH is working out very well, and we are full-timing in it.

As for trucks, we went with a LB. It's the most versatile in my opinion. More room, and you won't need to even consider a slider hitch. I also prefer the size when towing something as long as these are.

We went with a crew cab because there is plenty of room in the back for people, and towing the 399TH (385TH in our case) you will have all of your "stuff" back there. There is plenty of storage under the seat for the incidentals.

For the hitch, if you go with a RAM your best choice is to make sure it has the factory 5th Wheel/Gooseneck Towing Group and use the B&W RVK3600. It's what we went with. http://www.ramgunner.com/rvk3600.html

If you go with a shorter bed and think you would be more confortable with a slider, CURT is making a set of legs to drop into the RAM system that work with their sliders. I have a list of everything we know of for the RAM system at http://www.ramgunner.com/ram5thwheel.htm
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2014 Ram 3500 Tradesman/CTD/AISIN/4.10/4WD/CC/LB/DRW/VHF/UHF/APRS/CB/SCANNER
Grand Design Momentum 385TH (Polaris RZR800/VHF/UHF/HF)

schaffer
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I absolutely will be buying a diesel.

KKELLER14K
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OK...so the next question is...diesel or gas. I will give you this..diesel engines will pull a lot more. Go there and will not be disappointed.

Bedlam
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Expect to lose 4000 lbs of your payload to pin weight. Add up the people and the gear you will haul in he truck to determine how much capacity you need when it is empty and then start looking at door stickers.

Host Mammoth 11.5 on Ram 5500 HD

schaffer
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KKELLER14K Thank You! This will be our first RV, and yes we're as green as you can be when it comes to the RV lifestyle, so any and all advice is greatly appreciated. We've not decided on a truck yet, but I believe we've decided to go with the Grand Design Momentum 399TH. It maxes out at 20,000lbs per the salesman. I'm a GM fan, but in an earlier response I was informed to stay away from the GM due to their soft suspension. Not sure if adding airbags would eliminate that issue or not. Either truck I purchase will be a 4x4 Crew Cab Dually. Regarding the hitch, I've not a clue. Regarding driving the unit, I'm not concerned. I was a CDL driver for 21 years. I'm sure there will be a little learning curve pulling a fifth wheel vs. a tractor trailer. I welcome any and all advice.

KKELLER14K
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Hello Schaffer and welcome to the RV world. Lucky you have found the best people in the world to give advice and we will hopefully get your questions answered. Just a quick interview: is this your first time having an RV? I'm seeing your a new member but all things aside....if you are going to go with such a large "package"...I will offer this. The towing truck is a huge choice as to what you will tow. It should be "IMHO" in my humble opinion, your first choice. Trucks are not cheap and especially dually trucks. I have one so ask anything you want. Next is what hitch will you install to tow with and will you have any suspension modifications?.. Many choices here...and I already have a discussion going on the hitch one. Weight ratings considered and then the rig itself. All of this is a huge learning curve let alone learning to drive something that is 60 feet long. Give us a little room and we will talk all day and night...so back to your experience where have you been so far?

DanB-ON
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schaffer wrote:
First off, I'd like to Thank all of you in advance..

*Deciding on a truck as well. Thoughts about using a Dodge Cummins 3500 Mega Cab DRW (short box)? How's the stability using a sliding 5th wheel on a short box, or am I better off with a long box dually?

Thank You Again!!!


I wanted to buy a mega cab dually but I couldn't find one anywhere.

The biggest issue I saw was I would want an autoslider and none drop directly in to the ram 5th wheel prep (or they didn't a year ago when I was looking) and by the time you take a tall truck, add the picture frame adapter and then your hitch it can be difficult to adjust your trailer so it's not nose high. I read a lot of threads about people flipping their trailer axles which I would never want to get in to.
2014 Ram 3500 DRW
2016 Vengeance Touring Edition 39R12

TheSidwells
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We live in our Fuzion 371 full time since this past November and love it. No issues and seems well built and tows well.
The Sidwell's

Live like no tomorrow, plan like there is....

dcg9381
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1jeep wrote:
while I love my carbon, by keystone, their service is very slow for warranty work....whos to blame...well camping world blamed keystone, I personally blame them both, we had our old trailer for 8 years never lost a window.


I have a Carbon too and generally I'm happy with the RV, but ANY repair is an exercise of more than 30 days. Typically 60+ days between all the back and forth. There is NO nationwide warranty in all practicality because non-selling dealers don't want to service Keystone at the warranty labor rate. So if you're away from home and need a warranty repair, you'll need some luck...

Our major defect was the roof coming up in front due to not being glued properly. Several other Carbons have suffered from this also. Keystone will fix the roof, but doesn't cover "cosmetic" issues if the dealer puts it back together in a manner than looks bad. A bad looking roof affects resale value.

The Carbon is a lower optioned model that comes down the same line as Raptor.


People will point out that Grand Design (Momentum) was started by Keystone execs and that's true, but they're certainly more focused on the reputation of the brand and directly support their customers. I can point to the exact same consumer complaint between Momentum and Keystone brands - the difference is that Momentum fixed it and Keystone told that they're out of luck.



azdryheat wrote:
Go with the floorplan you like the best. Under the skin, all trailers are the same - questionable quality.


That's *generally* true, although they're not necessarily framed the same way. Keystone uses OSB (at least on the Carbon) for the roof deck. Grand designs has different trusses and uses plywood. You're certainly right that they're assembled by humans that are paid to do it quickly.

The biggest difference is service after the sale. And we all know that they all have issues. Is the difference in service worth the difference in price? That's a consumer decision..

Wizbangdoodle
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As far as a truck, with the units you are looking at, get a LB dually. When I bought my TH, I thought I had plenty of "wiggle" room. It wasn't until I had it for awhile that I pulled into a truck scale and found I was maxed out for the load I was pulling. I was curious and looked at some of the weights of the units you're looking at. They are heavy. I'd go with a Ford or Dodge. The Chevy suspensions are a bit light.
'17 F450 CCLB Platinum dually

wirenutz
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we looked at used Fuzion's and Cyclone's, and DW didn't like the TV location, a petty issue for some but we live full time in ours, so a 90 degree turn on the neck or a 45 degree tilt backwards of the head to view the TV was unacceptable to DW
2007 All American Sport Toy Hauler 38 foot, 14,400 LBS dry weight
1999 Four Door Freightliner,new 6 Speed Auto, new Cat Motor, 12,600 LBS, rear air dump, lowers rear by 3", air activated rear locker, air ride seats, air ride cab, air ride suspension

azdryheat
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Go with the floorplan you like the best. Under the skin, all trailers are the same - questionable quality.
2013 Chevy 3500HD CC dually
2014 Voltage 3600 toy hauler
2019 RZR 1000XP TRE

lincster
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Long bed all the way for the truck.
So nice to tow with and have the extra room.
I can put a kids quad in front of my hitch and still turn with my 5th wheel hooked up with no worries.
2022 F350 PSD CC 4X4 Dually to pull 2006 LE3905

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lawnspecialties
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Although we just bought a toy hauler outside of those three you're looking at, I have studied them to death. Spending this amount of money, you want to pick the right one the first time.

I like the Fuzion the best of those picks. I think its a nicer looking unit with "a lot for the money" and although 1jeep has had issues, my service manager friend at my favorite dealer said dealing with Keystone Fuzion was by far the best one they'd recommend.

The Momentum is a very nice hauler but its going to hit you a little harder in the wallet.

I was quite surprised at how many dealers I spoke with said to just stay away from the Cyclones and Road Warriors. Appears quality control has really taken a huge downturn with them. You have to take that to heart when they tell you to stay away from a product they sell.