Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal

[juzplanekrazy]

I don’t know if it’s been done before or not but I was thinking about keeping a running list of real truck weights by year and type, and trailer weights by brand, size and what the total combined weight is of each guys rig. I was hoping the info would be a help for guys wondering about what the real weights are for a certain type of truck and to keep track of the more popular brand 5th wheel trailers. Another thing that will come out of it will be to see just how many guys really know what they are towing and if they know what their weight capacities are.
I’m sure it will take some time to compile a list and it will grow as guys add there info but I’m hoping it will help the newer guys in the long run to be directed back over to this thread in the future.
I’ll keep the TV lists to mainly the big 3 and from ¾ ton and up and I’ll try to keep the 5ers in a group by real GVW, length, and then manufacture. Any ideas are welcome as long as it makes things easier. And only real information can be given, so no guessing allowed. Only guys that have scaled there rigs or are totally certain of the weights.
Let’s see if I can keep the format real simple to type down and that will make it simpler for guys to refer back to and to keep track of.
Here we go……

TV - 2006 Dodge Mega Cab 3500 4x4, real scaled weight with full fuel, hitch, DH-DW and misc. gear = 7,500lbs. TV GVWR is 10,200lbs
5ver – KZ New Vision TH 38ft 14,500lbs loaded GVW. GVWR is 18,000lbs
Normal running TV & TH GCW weight= 22,500lbs, TV GCWR is 23,000lbs
Real Wet Pin Weight=2,950lbs

[Cummins12V98]

Ok here are my latest numbers.

Truck

Front 5,180

Rear 8,780

Total 13,940



RV

Front 6,390

Rear 7,540

Total 14,300


Combined total 28,240#

2011 Ram HO 4X4 Dually Longhorn CC 3:42 Mobile Suites 2007.5 36SB3

[Cummins12V98]

rhagfo wrote:

JohnBoyToo wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
You probably won't even add 100# to your front axle loaded. With 4,500# pin weight of that only 100# goes to my front axle. I have my B&W hitch full forward.

Why do you need sway bars? Are you going to haul a slide in camper?

Nope,
just because I wanted one.
(and it was the last thing I could get thrown in on the new truck deal once I rung out as much discount as I could:))

I did notice a bit of side to side on my last tow so interested to see if it improves...

know it will improve the around town handling - I won't have to borrow the wife's sports car 🙂

Biggest question is Why Not a Sway Bar? My 01 has one as part of the Camper Package, wouldn't mind if it was a bit bigger, no issues with sway, but isn't bigger always better??

The reason I asked is because my 98 Ram 4X4 has one and it is very stable side to side. My 11 Dually does not have one and it is stable side to side. I assumed they did something to the newer suspensions that made it to where they were not needed as much.

[rhagfo]

JohnBoyToo wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
You probably won't even add 100# to your front axle loaded. With 4,500# pin weight of that only 100# goes to my front axle. I have my B&W hitch full forward.

Why do you need sway bars? Are you going to haul a slide in camper?

Nope,
just because I wanted one.
(and it was the last thing I could get thrown in on the new truck deal once I rung out as much discount as I could:))

I did notice a bit of side to side on my last tow so interested to see if it improves...

know it will improve the around town handling - I won't have to borrow the wife's sports car 🙂

Biggest question is Why Not a Sway Bar? My 01 has one as part of the Camper Package, wouldn't mind if it was a bit bigger, no issues with sway, but isn't bigger always better??

[JohnBoyToo]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
You probably won't even add 100# to your front axle loaded. With 4,500# pin weight of that only 100# goes to my front axle. I have my B&W hitch full forward.

Why do you need sway bars? Are you going to haul a slide in camper?

Nope,
just because I wanted one.
(and it was the last thing I could get thrown in on the new truck deal once I rung out as much discount as I could:))

I did notice a bit of side to side on my last tow so interested to see if it improves...

know it will improve the around town handling - I won't have to borrow the wife's sports car 🙂

[avvidclif1]

Dave3421 wrote:
Then I am within range. I just wanted a few opinions.

Yep, looks like you are good for weight police. I don't know anything about the 5.3l engine but coupled with a 3.42 rear end you might be wishing for a lower rear end ratio or a bigger engine in Colorado. Especially when the air gets thin. Only way to know is try it. Take a road trip down to I10 around Kerrville and see how it does on those grades. That will give you an idea. While there stop at Buckhorn RV Park. Very nice park right off of I10.

Go I35E to Belton then 190 West to 281 and then South to San Antonio and West on I10. It will tell you a lot about your combo.

[Dave3421]

Then I am within range. I just wanted a few opinions.

[DW-gray]

Dave3421 wrote:
So I finally went the the cat scales for the second time :). I am going to get this right.

Truck
Steer: 3340
Drive: 2450
Total: 5880

Truck with Trailer
Steer: 3480
Drive: 3680
Trailer axle: 7360
Total grows weight: 14480

I drive a 2011 5.3l crew cab short bed z71 3.42 Chevy with trailering package. I am just right under the 15000 mark. This is however without any water in the tank. Tanks are dry. Let me know what you think. I am planning to go to Colorado. Do you think the truck will pull it up okay?

Rather than offering my opinion, what did the Weight Safety Report (Step 4) at Fifth Wheel St. tell you?

[Dave3421]

So I finally went the the cat scales for the second time :). I am going to get this right.

Truck
Steer: 3340
Drive: 2450
Total: 5880

Truck with Trailer
Steer: 3480
Drive: 3680
Trailer axle: 7360
Total grows weight: 14480

I drive a 2011 5.3l crew cab short bed z71 3.42 Chevy with trailering package. I am just right under the 15000 mark. This is however without any water in the tank. Tanks are dry. Let me know what you think. I am planning to go to Colorado. Do you think the truck will pull it up okay?

[Cummins12V98]

JohnBoyToo wrote:
for those that might be interested:

2013 Ford F-350 Platinum, 6.7 diesel crew cab shortbed single rear wheel with 11,500 gvwr with superglide 18k hitch, ford's truxport roll up bed cover, factory toughbed sprayed bed liner, pkg 618A, moonroof, wheel well liners...
(all listed to give you an idea of options weight)

cat scales with full 26 gal tank, me. the wife, and the dog:
steer 5040
drive 3660
total 8700 - a fat one 🙂

will be adding a rear sway bar today so that should be a bit more...

so that leaves me 11500 - 8700 = 2800 carrying capacity..

on edit:
Now I need to weigh truck and rv together to see if it is > the 23500 gcwr...
or steer axle weight is > FAWR of > 6290
or drive axle weight is > RAWR of > 7180 (7180-3660=3520 if all on backend:))
or total of steer axle + drive axle from scales with rv attached is > 11500 ...

You probably won't even add 100# to your front axle loaded. With 4,500# pin weight of that only 100# goes to my front axle. I have my B&W hitch full forward.

Why do you need sway bars? Are you going to haul a slide in camper?

[JohnBoyToo]

for those that might be interested:

2013 Ford F-350 Platinum, 6.7 diesel crew cab shortbed single rear wheel with 11,500 gvwr with superglide 18k hitch, ford's truxport roll up bed cover, factory toughbed sprayed bed liner, pkg 618A, moonroof, wheel well liners...
(all listed to give you an idea of options weight)

cat scales with full 26 gal tank, me. the wife, and the dog:
steer 5040
drive 3660
total 8700 - a fat one 🙂

will be adding a rear sway bar today so that should be a bit more...

so that leaves me 11500 - 8700 = 2800 carrying capacity..

on edit:
Now I need to weigh truck and rv together to see if it is > the 23500 gcwr...
or steer axle weight is > FAWR of > 6290
or drive axle weight is > RAWR of > 7180 (7180-3660=3520 if all on backend:))
or total of steer axle + drive axle from scales with rv attached is > 11500 ...

[DW-gray]

Alley Fox wrote:

Glen Schumann wrote:

Alley Fox wrote:
I called the manufacturer of my soon to be delivered fifth wheel and was surprised to find out they keep a weight record of every trailer as-built. My dry axle brochure weight is 8853 vs 8930 actual. Dry pin brochure weight is 2023 vs 2320 actual. Does not include, of course, batteries and propane fuel. The difference is mostly due to the 5.5K generator. I will weigh everything when I get it. Last time I weighed my TV with three adults and 1/2 tank of fuel, it weighed 3400 steer and 4600 drive (scale readout is in 50# increments).

Dry pin weight 25.9% of dry actual weight at the factory? Ouch. Can you truck handle that large a share of the trailers listed GVWR? Don't know whether you have 2500 or 3500. Don't know of a 3/4 ton than can handle even 2320 pin weight.

Yes, ouch! I do have air bags and HD shocks, but I'm thinking I may have to remove the generator since it adds 300# that I'm not really sure I have to carry. Or load the trailer really rear heavy....

Depending on which model of 3/4 ton GMC you have, the best possible tow rating is 12,000 pounds from what I've read. The trailer's Gross Dry Weight is 10876 lbs. and the Gross Vehicle Weight(GVWR)is 15700 lbs. I suspect you're going to not only overload the truck's rear axle, you'll be towing too much trailer weight for that truck. Recommend you read Before You Buy That RV, Truck or Other Tow Vehicle.

[Alley_Fox]

Glen Schumann wrote:

Alley Fox wrote:
I called the manufacturer of my soon to be delivered fifth wheel and was surprised to find out they keep a weight record of every trailer as-built. My dry axle brochure weight is 8853 vs 8930 actual. Dry pin brochure weight is 2023 vs 2320 actual. Does not include, of course, batteries and propane fuel. The difference is mostly due to the 5.5K generator. I will weigh everything when I get it. Last time I weighed my TV with three adults and 1/2 tank of fuel, it weighed 3400 steer and 4600 drive (scale readout is in 50# increments).

Dry pin weight 25.9% of dry actual weight at the factory? Ouch. Can you truck handle that large a share of the trailers listed GVWR? Don't know whether you have 2500 or 3500. Don't know of a 3/4 ton than can handle even 2320 pin weight.

Yes, ouch! I do have air bags and HD shocks, but I'm thinking I may have to remove the generator since it adds 300# that I'm not really sure I have to carry. Or load the trailer really rear heavy....

[Glen_Schumann]

Alley Fox wrote:
I called the manufacturer of my soon to be delivered fifth wheel and was surprised to find out they keep a weight record of every trailer as-built. My dry axle brochure weight is 8853 vs 8930 actual. Dry pin brochure weight is 2023 vs 2320 actual. Does not include, of course, batteries and propane fuel. The difference is mostly due to the 5.5K generator. I will weigh everything when I get it. Last time I weighed my TV with three adults and 1/2 tank of fuel, it weighed 3400 steer and 4600 drive (scale readout is in 50# increments).

Dry pin weight 25.9% of dry actual weight at the factory? Ouch. Can you truck handle that large a share of the trailers listed GVWR? Don't know whether you have 2500 or 3500. Don't know of a 3/4 ton than can handle even 2320 pin weight.

[Alley_Fox]

I called the manufacturer of my soon to be delivered fifth wheel and was surprised to find out they keep a weight record of every trailer as-built. My dry axle brochure weight is 8853 vs 8930 actual. Dry pin brochure weight is 2023 vs 2320 actual. Does not include, of course, batteries and propane fuel. The difference is mostly due to the 5.5K generator. I will weigh everything when I get it. Last time I weighed my TV with three adults and 1/2 tank of fuel, it weighed 3400 steer and 4600 drive (scale readout is in 50# increments).

[SmittysRV]

Not sure I have posted my weights on here yet of my new truck and trailer. I now have a 2007 F550 and a 2012 Raptor 4014 LEV 5th wheel toy hauler. I took the set up to the scales to get a "dry" weight. The truck was low on fuel and empty, the trailer was relitively empty as in, No toys, no gear, no food, no water, no fuel, no cloths. The only thing in the trailer was linen, dishes and whatever else the wife keeps in those cabinets and drawers. Here are the numbers I got without me in the truck.

Axle 1 Steer: 5240 lbs
Axle 2 Drive: 7820 lbs
Axle 3 Trailer: 12680 lbs (4227 lbs per axle)
Total weight : 25740 lbs