Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal

[juzplanekrazy]

I don’t know if it’s been done before or not but I was thinking about keeping a running list of real truck weights by year and type, and trailer weights by brand, size and what the total combined weight is of each guys rig. I was hoping the info would be a help for guys wondering about what the real weights are for a certain type of truck and to keep track of the more popular brand 5th wheel trailers. Another thing that will come out of it will be to see just how many guys really know what they are towing and if they know what their weight capacities are.
I’m sure it will take some time to compile a list and it will grow as guys add there info but I’m hoping it will help the newer guys in the long run to be directed back over to this thread in the future.
I’ll keep the TV lists to mainly the big 3 and from ¾ ton and up and I’ll try to keep the 5ers in a group by real GVW, length, and then manufacture. Any ideas are welcome as long as it makes things easier. And only real information can be given, so no guessing allowed. Only guys that have scaled there rigs or are totally certain of the weights.
Let’s see if I can keep the format real simple to type down and that will make it simpler for guys to refer back to and to keep track of.
Here we go……

TV - 2006 Dodge Mega Cab 3500 4x4, real scaled weight with full fuel, hitch, DH-DW and misc. gear = 7,500lbs. TV GVWR is 10,200lbs
5ver – KZ New Vision TH 38ft 14,500lbs loaded GVW. GVWR is 18,000lbs
Normal running TV & TH GCW weight= 22,500lbs, TV GCWR is 23,000lbs
Real Wet Pin Weight=2,950lbs

[Learjet]

CenTex wrote:

Learjet wrote:
I hope you have an air hitch...are that truck might beat up your trailer...just a thought :@

I know what you saying, I have replaced the rear suspension with a late model International air ride. The truck rides as good as a pick up. I also built a receiver hitch for it to tow a bumper pull trailer.

Nice :B

[CenTex]

Learjet wrote:
I hope you have an air hitch...are that truck might beat up your trailer...just a thought :@

I know what you saying, I have replaced the rear suspension with a late model International air ride. The truck rides as good as a pick up. I also built a receiver hitch for it to tow a bumper pull trailer.

[DW-gray]

Looks like you have enough room to park a Smart car behind the cab.

[Learjet]

I hope you have an air hitch...are that truck might beat up your trailer...just a thought :@

[Slownsy]

CenTex nice old truck ther, I don't think u nead a slider, not much change of hitting cap.
Frank.

[CenTex]

No danger of being over weight with 12,000 lb. front axle and 20,000 lb. rear axle and 40,000 GCWR.

[DW-gray]

rhagfo wrote:

DW-gray wrote:

JustLookin wrote:
I'm having trouble understanding the RV Tow Check 2.0 calculator. I am looking to upgrade both truck and a 5ver and want to know what the correct towing capacity is of any new truck I buy before shopping for the trailer. I'm looking at a 2015 F250, 4x2, crew cab, 6.7l Turbo diesel with a 3.73. I find the GCWR is 31,900, the GVWR is 9900, I set the GVW at 6800 (curb wt.), gear and cargo at 500 and passengers at 500. At a 20% pin weight the calculator shows such a truck would have a 9500 lb. towing capacity for a fifth wheel. Am I interpreting this right? That seems low for what I have observed on the road and its well below Ford's published 23,600 lb maximum loaded 5th wheel weight for such a truck in their towing guide. Thanks in advance.

If you included the hitch system with the 500 pounds of cargo, and also checked the 5th wheel hitch option, that would be incorrect. But if you meant 1000 pounds of cargo and passengers, plus selecting the hitch, 9500 pounds towing capacity @20% is correct.

The GVWR is the limiting the towing capacity and that is very common with 3/4 ton trucks. The engine and transmission is not any different than the 1 ton trucks. But it could be the springs or gear ratio or the brakes or axle or wheels or any combination that keeps the 3/4 ton from handling much pin weight. There are a lot of 3/4 tons that are towing 5th wheels while exceeding GVWR and GAWR as shown on the certification label.

While they may be exceeding their GVWR, many are still well with in the GRAWR for their TV.
I know this is how I tow, the 250/2500's fill a registration loophole in many states by keeping the GVWR at 10,000# or less, equals hundreds of dollars in registration fees.

You are correct in saying, "While they may be exceeding their GVWR, many are still well with in the GRAWR for their TV." The reality is that all manufacturers state that none of the ratings should be exceeded primarily for the reasons of safety, vehicle longevity, and in some cases, to prevent the risk of voiding the warranty.

[rhagfo]

DW-gray wrote:

JustLookin wrote:
I'm having trouble understanding the RV Tow Check 2.0 calculator. I am looking to upgrade both truck and a 5ver and want to know what the correct towing capacity is of any new truck I buy before shopping for the trailer. I'm looking at a 2015 F250, 4x2, crew cab, 6.7l Turbo diesel with a 3.73. I find the GCWR is 31,900, the GVWR is 9900, I set the GVW at 6800 (curb wt.), gear and cargo at 500 and passengers at 500. At a 20% pin weight the calculator shows such a truck would have a 9500 lb. towing capacity for a fifth wheel. Am I interpreting this right? That seems low for what I have observed on the road and its well below Ford's published 23,600 lb maximum loaded 5th wheel weight for such a truck in their towing guide. Thanks in advance.

If you included the hitch system with the 500 pounds of cargo, and also checked the 5th wheel hitch option, that would be incorrect. But if you meant 1000 pounds of cargo and passengers, plus selecting the hitch, 9500 pounds towing capacity @20% is correct.

The GVWR is the limiting the towing capacity and that is very common with 3/4 ton trucks. The engine and transmission is not any different than the 1 ton trucks. But it could be the springs or gear ratio or the brakes or axle or wheels or any combination that keeps the 3/4 ton from handling much pin weight. There are a lot of 3/4 tons that are towing 5th wheels while exceeding GVWR and GAWR as shown on the certification label.

While they may be exceeding their GVWR, many are still well with in the GRAWR for their TV.
I know this is how I tow, the 250/2500's fill a registration loophole in many states by keeping the GVWR at 10,000# or less, equals hundreds of dollars in registration fees.

[TxRick]

Truck and trailer in signature line, full of fuel, food, wife, kids and the dog yesterday on the scales.
Front 5040lbs
Rear 5260lbs
(300 lbs over recommeneded truck total of 10k, but 700lbs left on the rear axel/tires)
Trailer 6700lbs
Total 17000lbs
Drops a little when loaded but not enough to warrant bags at all and I get 10 to 12 mpg (depending on terrain) at 65mph.

(Not pulling the boat either, never pulled doubles with it)

[DW-gray]

JustLookin wrote:
I'm having trouble understanding the RV Tow Check 2.0 calculator. I am looking to upgrade both truck and a 5ver and want to know what the correct towing capacity is of any new truck I buy before shopping for the trailer. I'm looking at a 2015 F250, 4x2, crew cab, 6.7l Turbo diesel with a 3.73. I find the GCWR is 31,900, the GVWR is 9900, I set the GVW at 6800 (curb wt.), gear and cargo at 500 and passengers at 500. At a 20% pin weight the calculator shows such a truck would have a 9500 lb. towing capacity for a fifth wheel. Am I interpreting this right? That seems low for what I have observed on the road and its well below Ford's published 23,600 lb maximum loaded 5th wheel weight for such a truck in their towing guide. Thanks in advance.

If you included the hitch system with the 500 pounds of cargo, and also checked the 5th wheel hitch option, that would be incorrect. But if you meant 1000 pounds of cargo and passengers, plus selecting the hitch, 9500 pounds towing capacity @20% is correct.

The GVWR is the limiting the towing capacity and that is very common with 3/4 ton trucks. The engine and transmission is not any different than the 1 ton trucks. But it could be the springs or gear ratio or the brakes or axle or wheels or any combination that keeps the 3/4 ton from handling much pin weight. There are a lot of 3/4 tons that are towing 5th wheels while exceeding GVWR and GAWR as shown on the certification label.

[JustLookin]

I'm having trouble understanding the RV Tow Check 2.0 calculator. I am looking to upgrade both truck and a 5ver and want to know what the correct towing capacity is of any new truck I buy before shopping for the trailer. I'm looking at a 2015 F250, 4x2, crew cab, 6.7l Turbo diesel with a 3.73. I find the GCWR is 31,900, the GVWR is 9900, I set the GVW at 6800 (curb wt.), gear and cargo at 500 and passengers at 500. At a 20% pin weight the calculator shows such a truck would have a 9500 lb. towing capacity for a fifth wheel. Am I interpreting this right? That seems low for what I have observed on the road and its well below Ford's published 23,600 lb maximum loaded 5th wheel weight for such a truck in their towing guide. Thanks in advance.

[Cummins12V98]

Learjet wrote:
2013 Ford F250 XLT, CC, 6.2, 3.73 rear, 4x2

Trailer 2015 Wildcat 317RL,


Truck with Me (250 lbs) and full fuel, no trailer or hitch:

Steer axle 3,880
Drive axle 2,980
Total 6,860


Truck with ME in it, full fuel, trailer full water

Steer axle 3,900 (max front 4,250)
Drive axle 5,440 (max rear 6,100)(7,000 lbs on F350 with same axle, added Timbrens)
Trailer axles 9,720
Gross Combined weight 19,060

Pin weight @ 2,300 (2,460 minus truck hitch, truck not weighed with hitch installed)

Total trailer weight 12,020 lbs

Looks like a properly loaded combo!

[Learjet]

2013 Ford F250 XLT, CC, 6.2, 3.73 rear, 4x2

Trailer 2015 Wildcat 317RL,


Truck with Me (250 lbs) and full fuel, no trailer or hitch:

Steer axle 3,880
Drive axle 2,980
Total 6,860


Truck with ME in it, full fuel, trailer full water

Steer axle 3,900 (max front 4,250)
Drive axle 5,440 (max rear 6,100)(7,000 lbs on F350 with same axle, added Timbrens)
Trailer axles 9,720
Gross Combined weight 19,060

Pin weight @ 2,300 (2,460 minus truck hitch, truck not weighed with hitch installed)

Total trailer weight 12,020 lbs

[bpounds]

CenTex wrote:
I don't see to many people ever say what their rear end ratios are and that is very important as to how much you can tow.

F-250 with V-10, 6 speed manual and 3:73 rears.

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I suppose that's because it doesn't change axle weight ratings, or load carrying capacity. It's more related to pulling power, and since the overwhelming majority of us pulling fivers pull with a diesel, pulling power is rarely an issue.

Your weights look great. Very similar to my own setup. Perfect on an F250.

[CenTex]

I don't see to many people ever say what their rear end ratios are and that is very important as to how much you can tow.

F-250 with V-10, 6 speed manual and 4:30 rears.

Cat scale weigh ticket

Steer axle 3,560

Drive axle 5,060

Trailer tandems 9,640

Gross weight 18,260

These weights are with 3/4 tank of fuel and 3/4 full fresh water tank and about five gallons between the thee holding tanks. I am comfortably under my GVWR and my GCWR. With full fuel tanks and full fresh water tanks and my trailer loaded for an extended stay, I will be safely with in the trucks rating.