Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal

[juzplanekrazy]

I don’t know if it’s been done before or not but I was thinking about keeping a running list of real truck weights by year and type, and trailer weights by brand, size and what the total combined weight is of each guys rig. I was hoping the info would be a help for guys wondering about what the real weights are for a certain type of truck and to keep track of the more popular brand 5th wheel trailers. Another thing that will come out of it will be to see just how many guys really know what they are towing and if they know what their weight capacities are.
I’m sure it will take some time to compile a list and it will grow as guys add there info but I’m hoping it will help the newer guys in the long run to be directed back over to this thread in the future.
I’ll keep the TV lists to mainly the big 3 and from ¾ ton and up and I’ll try to keep the 5ers in a group by real GVW, length, and then manufacture. Any ideas are welcome as long as it makes things easier. And only real information can be given, so no guessing allowed. Only guys that have scaled there rigs or are totally certain of the weights.
Let’s see if I can keep the format real simple to type down and that will make it simpler for guys to refer back to and to keep track of.
Here we go……

TV - 2006 Dodge Mega Cab 3500 4x4, real scaled weight with full fuel, hitch, DH-DW and misc. gear = 7,500lbs. TV GVWR is 10,200lbs
5ver – KZ New Vision TH 38ft 14,500lbs loaded GVW. GVWR is 18,000lbs
Normal running TV & TH GCW weight= 22,500lbs, TV GCWR is 23,000lbs
Real Wet Pin Weight=2,950lbs

[Cummins12V98]

GVWR is usually not as important as axle ratings since many times they equal tire capacity.

[DW-gray]

LT 29 wrote:
Hello Everyone!

I have a question for the experts/seasoned towers.

I have a 2012 Chevy 3500 HD, i'm under on everything except the GCWR (over by 1600lb). Should i be concerned or just continue towing?

Thank you in advance!!

If you are certain that the GCWR is the only weight that you are exceeding by 1600 pounds, and you are certain that the weight of your truck's GVWR is underweight, I do not think you should be concerned. The most important truck weight rating that you should not exceed is the GVWR.

[LT_29]

Hello Everyone!

I have a question for the experts/seasoned towers.

I have a 2012 Chevy 3500 HD, i'm under on everything except the GCWR (over by 1600lb). Should i be concerned or just continue towing?

Thank you in advance!!

[avvidclif1]

Lwiddis wrote:
"I am within all other weights that actually matter."

Famous last words? Cuzz if I'm over, it doesn't matter?

I guess the frame doesn't count toward GVWR, only hitch and axle.

[Lwiddis]

"I am within all other weights that actually matter."

Famous last words? Cuzz if I'm over, it doesn't matter?

[Cummins12V98]

DW-gray wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Just double/triple towed for the first time this last week. 4 adults in cab with full tank. Went to AZ Bike week.

If I'm reading that correctly, the front axle is 5780 and the rear axle is 9860.

Does that not mean that the rear axle exceeds the GAWR of 9750 by 110 and the GVWR of 14000 by 1640?

I could be wrong, but it appears the trailer may be exceeding the GVWR and GAWR too.

Too bad you didn't weigh your truck alone. You could have obtained a full 13-point weight safety report at the Fifth Wheel Street website.

Yes I am over 110# on my rear axle, remove the two passengers I would be at the RAWR. Not too worried about the 110# since I have lots of capacity left on the rear tires. I am within all other weights that actually matter.

GVWR of 14K is just a number to keep the truck in Class 3 for licensing and insurance purposes. Just take my factory front axle weight for example of about 5,200# +- and add the RAWR of 9,750#, wala I am magically OVER the 14K number by 950#.

For me to be "legal" I just need 16K tonnage on my truck.

My "average" hand calc mileage was 8.3 traveling from Palm Springs, CA to Scottsdale, AZ and back. I towed 60 in CA and 65-67 in AZ. If it were not for the ST MC trailer tires I would have towed 75 in AZ.

The RV is "rated at 21K and actually weighs 23K. I changed out the kingpin bolts to large 3/4" frame bolts. I had MORryde look my suspension over when they did my 3" risers and they said I was well within their specs even tho I have 17,500# + on the RV axles.

DRV rates their RV's by the kingpin bolts.

[DW-gray]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Just double/triple towed for the first time this last week. 4 adults in cab with full tank. Went to AZ Bike week.

If I'm reading that correctly, the front axle is 5780 and the rear axle is 9860.

Does that not mean that the rear axle exceeds the GAWR of 9750 by 110 and the GVWR of 14000 by 1640?

I could be wrong, but it appears the trailer may be exceeding the GVWR and GAWR too.

Too bad you didn't weigh your truck alone. You could have obtained a full 13-point weight safety report at the Fifth Wheel Street website.

[Cummins12V98]

Just double/triple towed for the first time this last week. 4 adults in cab with full tank. Went to AZ Bike week.

[avvidclif1]

Now that's a setup where you can truly say, "The truck didn't even know it was back there". Nice rig BTW

[CenTex]

I haven't weighted it yet, but I don't think I will be over weight. I have a picture of my other truck on page 73 of this same thread. This is the first time I have pulled my trailer with this truck. I summer in Colorado and had wanted to go to a truck show in Des Moines Iowa the last week of May. I did not want to drive all the way back to Texas to retrieve my trailer, so decided to rig my LTL out to pull the fiver. I installed a sliding fifth wheel on it that slides to the rear to give me plenty of clearance, added an air over electric brake controller and fabricated a second trailer electrical cord to mate up to my fiver. It plugs into the same plug on the back of the sleeper that I use for my semi trailer. I have a set of fenders ordered so the rocks don't beat up my trailer

[Montara24d]

2016 Lariat, 6.7 diesel, Super cab, 4X4, long bed, SRW. On a truck stop Cat
scale, full fuel. 2010 Montana 3075RL on the way home from wintering in Fla, (so it was loaded with junk), 1/2 tank water, both 30lb propane tanks full.

steer axle 5300
drive axle 7020
trailer axle 10340
gross weight 22660

[DW-gray]

munkeys wrote:
hi,
you are talking to a newbie.....as in I will be receiving a 2016 Toyota tundra and want to buy a small fifth wheel. I have read so many different articles on what my tow weight is and this is all confusing...some say 9500 some say 10,000. I do understand how important it is not to go to heavy because I can burn out the truck. I Haven't received the truck yet and am doing my homework. As I read your many posts I am amazed at all the information there is out there.
If you could help me out and point me in the right direction I would be ever so grateful. I have never pulled a trailer or fifth wheel. I am pretty much a city girl but need to get out and enjoy the great outdoors. Looking forward to this new thing called life...lol
thanks
sandy

It is good that you are questioning the Tundra's towing capacity. Of course, the Tundra will tow just about anything. It did tow the Space Shuttle.

For any vehicle, towing something is rarely the issue. There are some who are towing lightweight fifth wheels. Just because they are doing it doesn't mean they are not exceeding the weight safety ratings.

The weight safety ratings is an issue you have to decide what you are willing to live with or feel safe with your passengers.

I do not know of any decent size fifth wheel that will have a pin weight light enough not to exceed the Tundra's GVWR.

Check out this review: How Much Can A 2017 Half-ton Truck Tow Without Exceeding Ratings?

[munkeys]

hi,
you are talking to a newbie.....as in I will be receiving a 2016 Toyota tundra and want to buy a small fifth wheel. I have read so many different articles on what my tow weight is and this is all confusing...some say 9500 some say 10,000. I do understand how important it is not to go to heavy because I can burn out the truck. I Haven't received the truck yet and am doing my homework. As I read your many posts I am amazed at all the information there is out there.
If you could help me out and point me in the right direction I would be ever so grateful. I have never pulled a trailer or fifth wheel. I am pretty much a city girl but need to get out and enjoy the great outdoors. Looking forward to this new thing called life...lol
thanks
sandy

[muzzledan]

TV 2014 Chevrolet 3500hd cc lb 4x4 drw 8440lb loaded. 5er 2005 Hitch Hiker 2 ls. gross combined loaded 21820lb.

steering axle 4960
drive axle 6260
trailer axle 10600

TV only
steering axle 4880
drive axle 3560
Gross8440

[PhoneDude_8289]

Scale weights at truck stop Cat scales without people or pets.
Me 180#, Dear wife 140#, 2 dogs @ 20# ea and 1 3# Rabbit = 363#

2014 Ram 2500 TCD DC SB 4X4 68RFE
Front Axel 4800# Rear Axel 3400# Gross weight 8200#

2014 Rockwood 8289WS
Trailer weight 9380# stand alone off the truck

Truck and trailer together
Steer Axel 4820
Drive Axel 5180
Trailer Axel 7580

Heading down the road 17943#