Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal

[juzplanekrazy]

I don’t know if it’s been done before or not but I was thinking about keeping a running list of real truck weights by year and type, and trailer weights by brand, size and what the total combined weight is of each guys rig. I was hoping the info would be a help for guys wondering about what the real weights are for a certain type of truck and to keep track of the more popular brand 5th wheel trailers. Another thing that will come out of it will be to see just how many guys really know what they are towing and if they know what their weight capacities are.
I’m sure it will take some time to compile a list and it will grow as guys add there info but I’m hoping it will help the newer guys in the long run to be directed back over to this thread in the future.
I’ll keep the TV lists to mainly the big 3 and from ¾ ton and up and I’ll try to keep the 5ers in a group by real GVW, length, and then manufacture. Any ideas are welcome as long as it makes things easier. And only real information can be given, so no guessing allowed. Only guys that have scaled there rigs or are totally certain of the weights.
Let’s see if I can keep the format real simple to type down and that will make it simpler for guys to refer back to and to keep track of.
Here we go……

TV - 2006 Dodge Mega Cab 3500 4x4, real scaled weight with full fuel, hitch, DH-DW and misc. gear = 7,500lbs. TV GVWR is 10,200lbs
5ver – KZ New Vision TH 38ft 14,500lbs loaded GVW. GVWR is 18,000lbs
Normal running TV & TH GCW weight= 22,500lbs, TV GCWR is 23,000lbs
Real Wet Pin Weight=2,950lbs

[rhagfo]

JohnD222 wrote:
Cthns,

You see lots of overloaded 250's towing Montana and similar size 5ers.

Airbags will help you ride level but don't change your weight ratings or help you stop. Bummer, you need a bigger truck. Been there and been as surprised and dismayed as you when I found these forum topics.

Your biggest risk exposure is overloading the rear tires and maybe the rims. If you keep the truck, definitely fix this!

Good luck.

Cthns wrote:
We just got a 2012 Ford F250 diesel crew cab short bed. Then bought a 2012 Montana 3150 RL. With a pull rite sliding hitch. Husband wants to add extra fuel tanks. When we tried to calculate the weight measurements to see if we could add the tanks, we find that our king pin weight is more than the rated payload. The Montana Gross weight (shipping weight + carry weight) is 14,160 lbs. hitch weight 2160 lbs. the truck GVWR is 10,000 lbs. the cargo weight is not suppose to exceed 1,661 lbs. We see lots of F250s towing Montana and similar size 5ers. What are we doing wrong trying to figure out the weights??

Thank you.

Well not pulling a Montana, but I am pulling a 5er with a GVWR of 12,000#, currently loaded to just a little over 11,000# with about 2,200# on the pin.
I tow this package with an 01 2500 Ram with a camper package, while the stated GVWR of the truck is 8,800# the total GAWR is 11,284#, I run with a GVW of 9,700# while towing our 5er, Holly Cow Batman the bumper must be dragging on the pavement!!!

Well this is a picture of our rig ready for the road, No Air Bags, No air shocks, No modifications at all to the factory suspension.

[JohnD222]

Cthns,

You see lots of overloaded 250's towing Montana and similar size 5ers.

Airbags will help you ride level but don't change your weight ratings or help you stop. Bummer, you need a bigger truck. Been there and been as surprised and dismayed as you when I found these forum topics.

Your biggest risk exposure is overloading the rear tires and maybe the rims. If you keep the truck, definitely fix this!

Good luck.

Cthns wrote:
We just got a 2012 Ford F250 diesel crew cab short bed. Then bought a 2012 Montana 3150 RL. With a pull rite sliding hitch. Husband wants to add extra fuel tanks. When we tried to calculate the weight measurements to see if we could add the tanks, we find that our king pin weight is more than the rated payload. The Montana Gross weight (shipping weight + carry weight) is 14,160 lbs. hitch weight 2160 lbs. the truck GVWR is 10,000 lbs. the cargo weight is not suppose to exceed 1,661 lbs. We see lots of F250s towing Montana and similar size 5ers. What are we doing wrong trying to figure out the weights??

Thank you.

[Cummins12V98]

Traveler II wrote:

Tireman9 wrote:

Traveler II wrote:
Trailer R Front 3,230
Trailer R Rear 3,185 6,415
Trailer L Front 2,840
Trailer L Rear 2,780 5,620 795 Right side weight more
Total Axel Weight 12,035 Loaded, 1/3 water empty gray and black tanks
Total Truck & Trailer 22,440
Truck Weight 7,780
Trailer Weight 14,660
Pin Weight 2,625
% Pin Weight 18%
Truck & Pin Weight 10,405
Trailer Dry Weight 11,680
Est Cargo Weight 2,980
Trailer Height 13' 2"

Good job of getting the "Real Weights" Too often folk simply drive on a scale and divide by 4. In your case you would have thought you had 3009# on each tire. Instead you know that you are off by 7.4%. You didn't say what size tires you have on the trailer but with a tandem axle I recommend you run no more than 90% of the published "Dual" load and to always run the pressure shown on the tire sidewall. If you have ST type tires you need to consider 65 MPH like the Red Line on your engine. It's possible to run at or even above the red line but not for long and you can expect much shorter engine (or tire) life.

We're running Goodyear 614 and I have been keeping them at 105 PSI, I will take your recommendation and take them up to 110. We run 60-65 mph to save fuel. We have about 12,000 miles on the this rig, and this summer we had the MOR/ryde IS and disk brakes installed.

Per Good Year tech support. Usethe tire inflation chart using the heaviest tire andthen go th the next psi on the chart.

Your heaviest tire is 3,185# so the chart says 3,300# at 90 PSI. The next higher is 3,414# at 95 PSI.

So per GY uou should be running 95 PSI. They said when you have more air pressure than needed you will have a smaller contact patch that = less stopping power and center of tire wear.

Don't believe me contact GY tech support!

I have ran two sets of the same exact tire as you 5 years each using the charts, not even a flat! One set on this Mobile suites running at 100PSI and one set on 32.5 Avion Platinum that I changed from E to G tires and ran 85 PSI.

Now I have changed the G to H tires on the MS with 100PSI.

[Traveler_II]

Tireman9 wrote:

Traveler II wrote:
Trailer R Front 3,230
Trailer R Rear 3,185 6,415
Trailer L Front 2,840
Trailer L Rear 2,780 5,620 795 Right side weight more
Total Axel Weight 12,035 Loaded, 1/3 water empty gray and black tanks
Total Truck & Trailer 22,440
Truck Weight 7,780
Trailer Weight 14,660
Pin Weight 2,625
% Pin Weight 18%
Truck & Pin Weight 10,405
Trailer Dry Weight 11,680
Est Cargo Weight 2,980
Trailer Height 13' 2"

Good job of getting the "Real Weights" Too often folk simply drive on a scale and divide by 4. In your case you would have thought you had 3009# on each tire. Instead you know that you are off by 7.4%. You didn't say what size tires you have on the trailer but with a tandem axle I recommend you run no more than 90% of the published "Dual" load and to always run the pressure shown on the tire sidewall. If you have ST type tires you need to consider 65 MPH like the Red Line on your engine. It's possible to run at or even above the red line but not for long and you can expect much shorter engine (or tire) life.

We're running Goodyear 614 and I have been keeping them at 105 PSI, I will take your recommendation and take them up to 110. We run 60-65 mph to save fuel. We have about 12,000 miles on the this rig, and this summer we had the MOR/ryde IS and disk brakes installed.

[Tireman9]

Traveler II wrote:
Trailer R Front 3,230
Trailer R Rear 3,185 6,415
Trailer L Front 2,840
Trailer L Rear 2,780 5,620 795 Right side weight more
Total Axel Weight 12,035 Loaded, 1/3 water empty gray and black tanks
Total Truck & Trailer 22,440
Truck Weight 7,780
Trailer Weight 14,660
Pin Weight 2,625
% Pin Weight 18%
Truck & Pin Weight 10,405
Trailer Dry Weight 11,680
Est Cargo Weight 2,980
Trailer Height 13' 2"

Good job of getting the "Real Weights" Too often folk simply drive on a scale and divide by 4. In your case you would have thought you had 3009# on each tire. Instead you know that you are off by 7.4%. You didn't say what size tires you have on the trailer but with a tandem axle I recommend you run no more than 90% of the published "Dual" load and to always run the pressure shown on the tire sidewall. If you have ST type tires you need to consider 65 MPH like the Red Line on your engine. It's possible to run at or even above the red line but not for long and you can expect much shorter engine (or tire) life.

[DW-gray]

Cthns wrote:
We just got a 2012 Ford F250 diesel crew cab short bed. Then bought a 2012 Montana 3150 RL. With a pull rite sliding hitch. Husband wants to add extra fuel tanks. When we tried to calculate the weight measurements to see if we could add the tanks, we find that our king pin weight is more than the rated payload. The Montana Gross weight (shipping weight + carry weight) is 14,160 lbs. hitch weight 2160 lbs. the truck GVWR is 10,000 lbs. the cargo weight is not suppose to exceed 1,661 lbs. We see lots of F250s towing Montana and similar size 5ers. What are we doing wrong trying to figure out the weights??

Thank you.

I'm not sure, but it sounds like you may have a truck with the low axle weight rating which can be a problem with 5th wheels. I suggest you visit FWS. The article, Before You Buy.. will help you understand axle ratings. The site is full of other good information too.

[rhagfo]

As one who is not in line with the weight police. I have an 01 Ram 2500 pulling an 05 Copper Canyon at 11K. Exceeds GVWR by about 1,000# but still under GAWR by 1K.

[Cthns]

We just got a 2012 Ford F250 diesel crew cab short bed. Then bought a 2012 Montana 3150 RL. With a pull rite sliding hitch. Husband wants to add extra fuel tanks. When we tried to calculate the weight measurements to see if we could add the tanks, we find that our king pin weight is more than the rated payload. The Montana Gross weight (shipping weight + carry weight) is 14,160 lbs. hitch weight 2160 lbs. the truck GVWR is 10,000 lbs. the cargo weight is not suppose to exceed 1,661 lbs. We see lots of F250s towing Montana and similar size 5ers. What are we doing wrong trying to figure out the weights??

Thank you.

[Traveler_II]

Trailer R Front 3,230
Trailer R Rear 3,185 6,415
Trailer L Front 2,840
Trailer L Rear 2,780 5,620 795 Right side weight more
Total Axel Weight 12,035 Loaded, 1/3 water empty gray and black tanks
Total Truck & Trailer 22,440
Truck Weight 7,780
Trailer Weight 14,660
Pin Weight 2,625
% Pin Weight 18%
Truck & Pin Weight 10,405
Trailer Dry Weight 11,680
Est Cargo Weight 2,980
Trailer Height 13' 2"

[Cummins12V98]

Hit the DOT scales in WA today heading south to SoCal for the winter.

Truck and RV in sig.

Front axle 5,140#

Rear axle 8,460#

Loaded truck weight 13,600#

Trailer axles 14,140#

Combined weight 27,740#

Hand calc 9.3 mpg with some stop and go thru Seattle and a lot of stop and go thru Portland.

Speed was 60-62 mph.

[JohnBoyToo]

Just an observation....
while this thread is an excellent idea...

there really is too much "fluff" (typing :B) to be used as a data source,
too many formats,
too many variables,
too many MISSING data points,
difficult to find what you want...

be glad to pull it together in an Excel workbook or database of some type if someone wants to collect the data.... and stick to ONE format always 🙂

[DW-gray]

Just short reminder: The free 13 point and printable 5th Wheel/Gooseneck Truck & Trailer Weight Safety Report is available at FWS. You plug in the numbers and then "Click to process."

[Granted]

Limits:
GVWR/ 11,200
F GAWR/ 4850
R GAWR/ 8250
GCWR/ 20,000

Truck without fiver:
F axle 4500
R axle 3520
GVW 8020

Packed for 3 month trip - 2012 Silverback 33L 37 ft fiver
F GAWR 4560
R GAWR 6140
Trailer axle 9720 pin weight 2620
GCWR 20420

[avvidclif1]

Interesting. I have a 2009 F350 SRW Crew Cab.
Ratings:
Front 5,000
Rear 6,693
GVWR 11,000

Front axle was down and rear way up. Go figure. My trailer is the Crossroads version of what you have. Nice setup...

Great on the tires, mine came with the 16" E rated.

[kc81c]

kc81c wrote:
Finally got around to posting this. Combo is a 2011 F250 Crew Cab Short Box 4x4 6.7L with a B&W companion hitch. GVWR of 10k, front axle 5600 GAWR, rear 6100 GAWR. The fifth wheel is a 2011 Heartland Sundance XLT 285BH listed as 31ft with a empty weight of 7200 pounds and a GVWR of 10000#s. It was the wife 2 kids and I in the pickup 2 dogs in the camper all our clothes, food, full propane, few tools ect basically ready to camp. The only odd thing when weighing was we had been camping at the inlaws yard that had no place to dump and we were heading to the lake lot were we have no easy water but a place to dump. So we had the black, grey 1, and fresh tank full and the grey 2 tank half full roughly a total of 150 gallons so around 1200 pounds and I usually try to travel with the fresh half full and the waste tanks empty. My weights are as follows.

Front Axle 4800#
Rear Axle 5360#
Front Trailer 3640#
Rear Trailer 3560#

Tow Vehicle Total 10160
Trailer Total 7200

As you can see I'm over my GVWR on the pickup by 160# but could easily be fixed by not filling all the tanks full or moving some of the tools from the front of the trailer to the back. Otherwise I have a lot of room to spare on trailer GVWR, GAWR, and GCWR. Pulling the trailer at 70mph I get around 11.5mpg with 3:55 gear ratio.

I got a PM about the way I weighed. I think they were refering to the lack of an unhitched pickup weight. So I ran over a scale again my unhitched but loaded with the family, fuel, hitch ect was 8360 so that puts me at a pin weight of 1800 pounds. Right at the trailer gvwr but like I said it was a worst possible situation and would be easy to drop 600-900 pounds. Also with some searchin I found my campers frame tag and pin box tag both are rated at 15500# gvwr. The factory load range D tires would have limited the axles to 5k each. I intend to do some more looking I'm curious if the are actually 5k or 7k axles now. I hope this clarifies the missing info. Its pretty easy for me to run over a scale as the local elevator we mostly use is only a few miles away.