Possible Canada boarder opening mid August

[SideHillSoup]

There is a possibility that the Canadian boarder May open for “fully vaccinated” USA travellers by mid August., and world travellers by September.
Time will tell.
Boarder opening possibility

Soup

[moisheh]

I feel for the border communities. Some of them will never survive
Bu the selfish side of me hopes the US says: Mr. Trudeau, you keep changing the requirements and we are opening our border on July 21. I am wanting to get to our home in Mexico to see if it survived the heat.

[AKsilvereagle]

To all of you vacationers think you have it bad, it seems the residents of Point Roberts have it worse. It is a unique location, that land travel to the the rest of the US, requires travel through Canada.

I think the United States government is willing to negotiate upon giving up Port Roberts this time with the recent events of the past year, they been talkin' about doing so....

It is costly for the United States with no strategic advantage to keep that land area and continue to govern it - and the majority of residents that live there say they wouldn't mind being part of Canada, either to become citizens of Canada or they can sell their property more easily once it becomes part of Canada - as the property owners in Port Roberts have a hard time selling their property to a US citizen because of the proximity of the isolated area.

In the meantime let the complications continue.

[AKsilvereagle]

For the past month watching the briefings from the Prime Minister, the key he stressed out before committing to any easing of restrictions upon reopening "Canada's" border to non essential visitors was meeting Canada's goal upon a 80 % minimum of the population receiving first dose vaccination.

Canada is committed to achieving this goal before any kind of restrictions are to be potentially lifted.

Another positive factor of why I think they are actually going to ease the border restrictions to an extent this time is how well the United States population got immunized in a short period of time and obtained some form of control by decreasing COVID cases (now over 57% of the population receiving first dose at this time of posting) that rendered in a significant drop in added positive cases, and a substantial drop in hospitalizations and deaths within a first vaccine distribution of a 6 month period (so far).

Both Canada and the United States total populations have achieved the 48% fully vaccinated threshold mark at this time of posting. as I fully understood why Canada had taken this pandemic more seriously and imposed their border restrictions for so long :

1 - The United States was leading the world by a landslide in cases, hospitalizations and deaths that spiraled out of control by not imposing enough travel restrictions and isolation at the time last year

2 - While Canada itself is surrounded by two oceans and the United States, the two oceans were not going to be the source of potential increase in COVID cases

Now granted that the new more contagious variants are now the dominant strains upon these current cases and are on the increase, however upon speaking for the United States -

It is still by far 3.5 times lower in positive COVID cases than this time last year without a vaccine -

96% of TODAY'S current COVID related hospitalizations in the United States are from NON vaccinated individuals -

While over 99.5% of all COVID related deaths in the United States in the past 90 days are from NON vaccinated individuals (while roughly 1 in 10 vaccinated individuals that were actually hospitalized had died - all had some form of underlying issue) -


Time will tell in the coming weeks as cases increase, whether these current numbers will sustain or not....as so far it has been proven that the overwhelming majority of people that have been vaccinated will not see a hospital visit should they be exposed to COVID related symptoms.

I waited at least the first 90 days of the vaccine distribution phase to see all my friends and colleagues after being administered with the vaccine as they all had no side effects (Phizer and Moderna)....

I also timed it when I finally committed to take the vaccine in late April and mid May if there was going to be any sort of vacation for me - it would be within late summer or fall as I am only allowed to take time off then or during winter, as there is no way I am utilizing my camper in the winter months either, and knowing pretty much now for anyone to travel abroad to other countries - the new norm now will be a full COVID vaccination mandate of sorts.

I will be in Canada if they do lift the restrictions for non essential personnel as early as next month - my only dilemma would be this :

Back in late April when I got my first dose, the state of Alaska ran the program and was efficient and all and gotten the sticker of proof attached to the card with no glitches and all....

In mid May for the second dose - nothing was efficient, took four times the time to process everything with only 10% of people compared to the state running the program with over 90% of people more getting vaccinated that day with my first dose...

Furthermore, it just so happen to be unlucky that my second dose scheduled day was the very first day a contractor took over the whole operation (the nurse told me as she was just as frustrated) as the state of Alaska dropped the vaccination program like a smoking gun committed in a crime on short notice, and the nurse had hand written -rather scribbled in the box on the CDC card stating the second dose that no one can read or decipher of what it says (looks fake as plastic fruit)....I requested some additional CLEAR PROOF as they told me no stickers were provided for proof like my first dose has.

They told me they had no printers to give me any copy of proof for my second dose and tried to blow me off by emailing their company and open a account blah blah blah, until I screamed for a supervisor as I started going postal (a wonder they didn't call the cops to escort me out) which she directed me to drive all the way to the airport (5 miles) to obtain my copy of proof.... So later that night I arrive at the airport and the supervisor couldn't believe I showed up at 1130pm, got a proof of vaccination copy from them as she stated sorry for the inconvenience as they took over the operation on short notice and that they had to short staff the airport personnel by 50% to help out at the vaccination facility in Fairbanks....

Here's the kicker - after reading my proof of second shot the second time after leaving the airport - I realized they printed on the document that I received my FIRST SHOT - so I have proof of receiving two first dose shots as it stands.... lucky I took pictures at the facility, grabbed every souvenir like cartoon stickers stating I was vaccinated, and if this contractor does not correct the information for the second dose proof, hopefully by submitting my additional proof entering Canada that they will accept the proof with an explanation on the situation at hand should they lift the border restriction.

If the current case numbers increase substantially with vaccinated individuals at this point, I am sure Canada will continue to impose restrictions.

[StirCrazy]

Crowe wrote:
its the same up here. personaly I would say just leave it closed till christmas and see what happens down there with your vaccanations. plus like you said due to people not being able to travel they decided to buy RV's and our parks system in BC and even the banff and jasper parks are pretty much overloaded till october, so this season is pretty much a write off already for visiters who want to rv .....

Not necessarily the best economic approach. Also, chances are if some of these people can go stateside they may cancel their existing reservations and come down to the US.

isnt a huge impact. the biggest economic boost comes from lifting our internal restrictions. we have been in some sort of lock down in BC for about 18 months, restuarants and services like that bore the brunt. People here are going out like crazy now that the restrictions were finaly lifted after the july 1st long weekend (not all the restrictions mind you, the rest here in BC are not expected to be lifted untill after september long weekend) so right now and probably for the forseable futur more people than every are hitting local restuarants and such. bigg events are still impacted and BC parks system is pretty much over booked. you might be able to go camping on a wensday and leave thursday if you dont have reservations already. esential travel for goods and services is and has always been flowing across the boardse so the econimic boost you speak up that needs a boost is in the travel industry for the most part.

for myself I would rather see the goverment continue to bail out that sector as aposed to opening to fast and letting the new varriants get a foothold in canada.

Steve

[Crowe]

its the same up here. personaly I would say just leave it closed till christmas and see what happens down there with your vaccanations. plus like you said due to people not being able to travel they decided to buy RV's and our parks system in BC and even the banff and jasper parks are pretty much overloaded till october, so this season is pretty much a write off already for visiters who want to rv .....

Not necessarily the best economic approach. Also, chances are if some of these people can go stateside they may cancel their existing reservations and come down to the US.

[StirCrazy]

NamMedevac 70 wrote:
So I hear with the crowding of the RV parks and campgrounds due to increased RV interest by the newer RVers there may not be room for them even in winter time. Just musing

Former GS member and retired Acct & SEC CFP

its the same up here. personaly I would say just leave it closed till christmas and see what happens down there with your vaccanations. plus like you said due to people not being able to travel they decided to buy RV's and our parks system in BC and even the banff and jasper parks are pretty much overloaded till october, so this season is pretty much a write off already for visiters who want to rv .....

Steve

[StirCrazy]

SideHillSoup wrote:

StirCrazy wrote:

SideHillSoup wrote:
There is a possibility that the Canadian boarder May open for “fully vaccinated” USA travellers by mid August., and world travellers by September.
Time will tell.
Boarder opening possibility

Soup

I am still sticking to the after sept long weekend, we are not suposed to even be fully openen internaly till september..

Steve

I had my money on after Canadian Thanksgiving in October, but with the news of cruise ships opening up with health restrictions in place for November 1st, this “could” happen.

Hope you staying safe up your way with the Fires Steve. Clear sky’s down here this morning, but fires all around us, just not as bad as you guys.
Soup.

ya last night and today are the first days we havent been socked in by smoke in two weeks. I got evacuated from Tunkwa lake on the 2nd when I was camping there but managed to get into a different place for the last two days of my trip.

I know trudop was saying he wants to possibley open for middle of aug, but then dr tam and the other guys say it has to make sence with the numbers and right now there not making sence as vacanations are slowing down. so we will see what happens.

Steve

[wolfe10]

SideHillSoup wrote:
... “lots” of First Nations territorial lands were closed and has strict protocols in place...

Same in parts of the U.S.-- many pueblos in New Mexico are still closed to non-residents: https://nmroads.com/mapIndex.html?#

[SideHillSoup]

rhagfo wrote:
To all of you vacationers think you have it bad, it seems the residents of Point Roberts have it worse. It is a unique location, that land travel to the the rest of the US, requires travel through Canada.

Point Roberts

Point Robert’s USA isn’t the only place isolated for “land” travel because of boarder restrictions.
There are even places within Canada that have strict isolation protocols. Haida Gwaii, was closed to non residents and has just opened up to the rest of Canada approx 1 month ago, “lots” of First Nations territorial lands were closed and has strict protocols in place, the NWT are still closed to non essential travel and have been since the start of Covid, the Atlantic Bubble is slowly opening ...etc.
The Province’s and Territories are “slowly” opening up, when it is deemed safe to do so.
Yes Point Roberts, Hyder Alaska and other places that use Canada for road access are in a tough way, however they are far from the only ones, they just have one of the smallest foot prints.
Let’s “hope” for the best for everyone.
Soup.

[Community Alumni]

Walaby wrote:


And PackerBacker - hope you get to see your RV soon. Hope it held up to the elements for the past two years.

Mike

Thanks 🙂

… Eric

[rhagfo]

To all of you vacationers think you have it bad, it seems the residents of Point Roberts have it worse. It is a unique location, that land travel to the the rest of the US, requires travel through Canada.

Point Roberts

[SideHillSoup]

Walaby wrote:
Uniform vaccine identification program will never work in my opinion. Nor should we want it (also my opinion). What's to stop "the world" from using that process for other things. Slippery slope to world policing.

I think the vaccine cards we get when we get our vaccine should be enough to prove vaccine. Sure, someone can maybe buy a fake one, but the number of people who would do that would be small.

I hope the border opens up soon. Tourism has taken a big hit, and the industry can use the relief.

And PackerBacker - hope you get to see your RV soon. Hope it held up to the elements for the past two years.

Mike

I agree, people that are going to cross the boarder into Canada have to use a Passport.( same for USA)
If they spend the money and time to acquire a passport and then use a counterfeit immunization card / document at the boarder, that means they will most likely get a Red Card and get booted from the game so to speak.
Using a counterfeit document at a federal facility like at the Boarder & Customs crossings in this case for either country, can’t be a good thing... in my thinkin anyways.

[Walaby]

Uniform vaccine identification program will never work in my opinion. Nor should we want it (also my opinion). What's to stop "the world" from using that process for other things. Slippery slope to world policing.

I think the vaccine cards we get when we get our vaccine should be enough to prove vaccine. Sure, someone can maybe buy a fake one, but the number of people who would do that would be small.

I hope the border opens up soon. Tourism has taken a big hit, and the industry can use the relief.

And PackerBacker - hope you get to see your RV soon. Hope it held up to the elements for the past two years.

Mike

[charlestonsouth]

Sidehill, so far, the powers that be has indicated that the US wants no part of a uniform vaccination identification program among countries. In addition, they say it would be too hard to police and gain cooperation from other countries. Sounds good though in an ideal world.

[SideHillSoup]

The interesting part of this will be if they want proof of vaccine before you enter Canada, just what will that “proof” document look like?
Stay safe out there.
Soup