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Vegas1
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I know this topic has been covered in the past, but I can't seem to find the right answer. I am planning a change over to Transynd using the double drain and fill method. For the first drain and fill, what is the fluid capacity coming out of the pan? (I believe this is the shallow pan) Also, what is a good filter comparable to the Allison brand?
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fredbon
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Here is Allison's current list of approved fluids. TES 295 is the only standard they are now using.

Allison Approved Fluids

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hooligan
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Arch: The concern is not that Dexron III is no good, it is that some versions of DexIII on the market MAY not meet the specs of the original DexronIII. A long discussion here; Dexron III
Look at post #21 for info on the Chevron MD3.

Allison has an improved transmission fluid and recommends/requires Transynd or an equivalent. The Dexron III formula fluid is still acceptable but Allison states the only way to be certain it meets all the specs of what was the DexIII is to submit the formula to Allison to be listed as an approved TES 389. (They actually require that you provide your prior approval as DexIII as part of the application)
Anyway, there are few TES389 applications or approvals as the only issue for using DexIII is it's use in early Allison tranny's. A limited and fading market.

A for instance- suppose Hijack oil company puts out Dexron VI ATF and decides that since it also exceeds all the specs for DexIII and labels it as "DexIII suitable" for all transmissions requiring DexIII. Some early, prior to 2003?, Allisons cannot use Dex VI because it dissolves the seals. (Allisons are the only ones Dex VI affects)

I satisfied my concern by calling Tech support at Mobil concerning my use of Mobil-1 ATF. You could check with Chevron.. We are both out of warranty. (My next fluid change in 2 years will be with Transynd, I have finally used my stockpile of Mobil-1 Synthetic ATF.)
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ArchHoagland
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JimM68 wrote:
Dexron 3 was a GM standard, but they let it lapse, did not renew it for some reason.

Today, oil mixers can put a dexron 3 label on anything they choose because there is no standard.
I'd never ever use anything labelled dex3, not even to lube door hinges.


Well I've used Chevron ATF MD3, which is formulated for use of pre 2005 transmissions that required Dextron III, for 8 years now. I've changed the fluid approximately six times over those years and I'm doing just fine at 66,000 miles.

Again, I'd ask you to point me to a credible source of information that says this is no good.
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Dexron 3 was a GM standard, but they let it lapse, did not renew it for some reason.

Today, oil mixers can put a dexron 3 label on anything they choose because there is no standard.
I'd never ever use anything labelled dex3, not even to lube door hinges.
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ArchHoagland
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fredbon wrote:
ArchHoagland wrote:

I haven't switched to Transynd because I can get a case of Dexron iii for $20 at Costco.

I do my own changes so it's cheap and easy.


Check out the fluid you are using, Allison has dropped Dextron III from the approved listings, seems the formula has been changed.

Fred


Could you point me to the information that says the formula has changed?

I can't find any information that says that.
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fredbon
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ArchHoagland wrote:

I haven't switched to Transynd because I can get a case of Dexron iii for $20 at Costco.

I do my own changes so it's cheap and easy.


Check out the fluid you are using, Allison has dropped Dextron III from the approved listings, seems the formula has been changed.

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bob213 wrote:
There is no better filter than the OEM. Aftermarket seem to have a problem with the placement of the holes, thereby restricting the flow. Look in the Yellow Pages for an Allison dealer near you. We get them for $8.25 at our dealer. They sell the Transynd also. And rgatijnet1 is correct...You are not supposed to "flush" an Allison.


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I can get 11 quarts out if I let it sit for at least 24 hours. I haven't switched to Transynd because I can get a case of Dexron iii for $20 at Costco.

I do my own changes so it's cheap and easy.
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bob213
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There is no better filter than the OEM. Aftermarket seem to have a problem with the placement of the holes, thereby restricting the flow. Look in the Yellow Pages for an Allison dealer near you. We get them for $8.25 at our dealer. They sell the Transynd also. And rgatijnet1 is correct...You are not supposed to "flush" an Allison.
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rvten
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When I did my old class A. The trans took about 10 qts.
When you remove the trans filter. DO NOT LOOSE the MAGNETIC WASHERS. Clean them and replace them on the stud.
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allbrandauto wrote:
wrong way to do it find a shop that has a trans. flush machine and Allison cooler line adapters and have them do it wont cost alot


Allison cautions that you NEVER use the flush type of fluid change. NAPA sells a filter for the Allison 1000 and the screw on Allison filter is also available from numerous sources online.
They have a shallow and a deep pan which can affect the overall capacity of your transmission. Total capacity is 13-15 quarts. The best way is to measure what you take out so that you do not over or under fill your transmission.
Here is a link: Allison website

allbrandauto
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wrong way to do it find a shop that has a trans. flush machine and Allison cooler line adapters and have them do it wont cost alot