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Buying a Former Rental Class C. How many of us out there?

IAMICHABOD
Explorer II
Explorer II
While researching these pages for my next Motor Home I saw a few threads discussing Rentals, most were Pros and Cons but very few posts from people who had purchased one.

I thought it may be a good resource and helpful to hear from these people. The good, the bad, what they liked and what they didnโ€™t. Also if they had any problems, things they changed, if they would recommend this to others or do it again.

Here is my story: I am not a novice, having owned a Class A for more than 15 years and doing the camping thing with my wife and two daughters, I can say โ€œbeen there done thatโ€ But life changes, and I sold everything so I have been away from this for several years. Starting over I lurked here for a while and got a lot of good insight then went looking.

My criteria was: A Class C within by budget, less than 30 feet so I can keep it at home, saving storage $, a rear bed, and a lot of storage space.

What fit that was Winnebago, Fleetwood and a few others, what I found mostly was Jamboree / Tioga 26Q. In the year models 2002 thru 2006. I did my home work looking at NADA and other sites to find the fair prices for the models that I was looking for.

After several months of searching the internet, Craigslist, private ads and Dealerships for a Class C that suited my budget and needs, this is what I found. Of the dozen or so I inquired about.Most were upsidedown in their payments, owing more than they were worth. All were on Ford Chassis, 7 needed tires, all had the original 7 to 10 year old tires, and they all needed repair of the awning and most needed some work inside or out and the maintenance records were sketchy, but most had low mileage. The Dealerships offerings were better but they had a profit margin to maintain so I got older models within my budget or huge up sales that didnโ€™t work for me.

My next step was looking at the rental market for sales. In my area there are 2 large companies that have rental sales, Cruise America and El Monte RV,who also sell Class A RVs.

First up was El Monte RV Their units are production RVs that are made by major manufactures, with TV antennas and hookups inside and out, Ducted A/C and heat, 2 house batteries, a rear ladder and parts are readily available from those manufactureโ€™s. I looked at their web site and it detailed their warranty and what was checked and serviced by their factory trained technicians. The unit I looked at was like new inside, the upholstery on all the seats was new as was the floor mat in the driverโ€™s area, it had a new mattress, still in plastic and a new bedspread. All of the curtains were new also. Newer (2010 mfg date) tires with 98% rubber and the mileage was ninety thousand (90,000).

Then there was Cruise America: Their units that I looked at seemed to be Spartan,no TV antenna or hookups for one,non-ducted A/C,small counter space and only one battery, no rear ladder for inspection and maintenance of roof and built just for them, they were all โ€œrefreshedโ€ their words not mine. They offered extended warranties at a huge cost. All had high mileage, one hundred and thirty thousand (130,000) or more and the price range seemed a little high. The sales staff had a take it or leave it attitude and were not very forthcoming when asked about maintenance records and service,they claim to have proprietary info in those records,It doesn't seem to be a problem for El Monte RV.

At El Monte RV I took a test ride; This Unit was a 2006 Tioga 26Q on a Chevrolet Chassis it rode
Drove and handled much better than the Fords that I had driven. It also had more leg room and was quieter. We got back and I asked about the service and maintenance on it, the salesman, Joey, handed me a 28 page single spaced document asked if I wanted some coffee or something to drink and said โ€œread this and if you have any questions I will answer themโ€.

It detailed everything that was done before and after each rental, the mileage, generator hours and hours billed. Each time it was washed and detailed inside and outside, all fluids were checked and replenished if needed, the holding tanks were washed, LP system was checked for leaks, all torque on wheel lugs were checked, brakes front and rear checked for wear and cracks, pressure in tires, all appliances, generator oil, lights inside and outside, the list goes on and on.

It also listed all oil changes,coolant change,trans service,fuel injector service and cleaning,fuel filters,air filter, new brakes, all repairs and replacements all with date, mileage and time spent in complete detail from day one to when it was pulled from the rental fleet and was refurbished. I have a complete service record on this vehicle.Also the service records on the Onan Generator,all oil changes,air filter and spark plug replacement with hours and date. I negotiated a good deal with them and am very happy with my purchase.

It came with a 1 yr. 12000 mile power train warranty and 30 day on all appliances. It also came with a 28 page maintenance record that detailed everything. Also the original sales packet from Fleetwood with the manual and serial numbers on all appliances,refrigerator, microwave,furnace, AC, water heater, etc. and the manual for the Chassis. I have had no problems with it so far.

(ON EDIT) 5 Years and close to 14000 miles.Just Scheduled Maintenance and new tires,old ones were at the 5 year mark and I wanted new Michelin LTX M/S2s.

There were a few things that it didnโ€™t have as it was a rental and the ones from private parties did have.
โ€ข Power steps, outside Stereo/CD donโ€™t need or want them.
โ€ข An Awning, this I wanted and had installed. A Swivel Seat and a new Window in The Door that I installed.
โ€ข Wheel Simulators, I like the looks so I had them installed and at the same time had Tire Man valve stem kit put on.
โ€ข Replaced the Chinese WFCO with a US Made converter/charger
โ€ข It came with mini blinds and not the day/night that most have, these are more practical and have a lot less failure.
  • It also came with Stainless Steel sinks,easier to maintain than the cheap plastic ones that come in the noncommercial units.

I am very happy with my Rig, it suites my needs and it was in my Budget range, I think I got a good deal.

So if you bought a rental please share your experience here for others to use as a resource.
Or if there are any other questions that have not been covered in these pages, just ask, there are many helpful people on this thread.
2006 TIOGA 26Q CHEVY 6.0 WORKHORSE VORTEC
Former El Monte RV Rental
Retired Teamster Local 692
Buying A Rental Class C
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bghouse
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510dogmom wrote:
bghouse wrote:
This is MY first solo rig and I'm learning by hands on. I need a rig that will be as forgiving as possible with my blunders and errors.


Yet another reasons I keep looking at the cruise america as an option. Thank you again.

Snowman9000
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If you Google auxiliary battery ford e450, you will get some good hits and youtube videos.

Here is one example. Scroll down to the E450 listing.
http://www.torklift.com/index.php/products/auxiliary-battery-storage/hiddenpower

Another one, several possible solutions here
Currently RV-less but not done yet.

510dogmom
Explorer
Explorer
bghouse wrote:
I have a single 12V house battery and thinking of purchasing a portable 50 or 100W suitcase solar panel that attaches directly to the battery, or replace the small solar panel with a larger one.

Regarding back up camera. I just had a wired model installed. It is on the rear bumper and the wiring goes under the rig. It was not possible to have a wired camera installed at the top of the rig.


Thank you 510dogmom - this is helpful. I truly have no idea if I'll even need the dual battery setup any time soon. For the backup camera, why wasn't it possible to be installed at the top of the rig?


The walls are solid and thick. There is no way you can run wires down to under the carriage without seeing the wiring inside the RV or down the back or side of the RV. CA makes their rigs as dummy proof as possible and as unbreakable as possible. That is one of the main reasons I like my CA 23A, I have a history with RVs, but that was with my ex-husband. This is MY first solo rig and I'm learning by hands on. I need a rig that will be as forgiving as possible with my blunders and errors. ๐Ÿ˜‰

Thinking about it, if I decide to upgrade my solar power, If I can, I will upgrade the panel that is already on the rig.

bghouse
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I have a single 12V house battery and thinking of purchasing a portable 50 or 100W suitcase solar panel that attaches directly to the battery, or replace the small solar panel with a larger one.

Regarding back up camera. I just had a wired model installed. It is on the rear bumper and the wiring goes under the rig. It was not possible to have a wired camera installed at the top of the rig.


Thank you 510dogmom - this is helpful. I truly have no idea if I'll even need the dual battery setup any time soon. For the backup camera, why wasn't it possible to be installed at the top of the rig?

510dogmom
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Explorer
bghouse wrote:
Before I put this to rest - I need to make sure I've given the Cruise America model a fair analysis. There are currently a couple things that make me pause, and I need to understand if there are potential solutions that I can live with - or move off CA for good.

1.) The single battery vs dual battery. I'm concerned that in the future if I want to add solar and an inverter that the Cruise America 23A will not allow it. Are there other options for the battery (even if it costs more) to be able to add the second one somewhere? Hanging bracket under the coach? Somewhere inside with Lithium maybe? I don't plan to boondock immediately - I'll be at campgrounds. Anything else that the single battery limits me on? Can I still run A/C or the microwave on shore power?

2.) Backup camera. I read somewhere that someone tried to install a backup camera on the Cruise America coach and couldn't run the wires, so had to go wireless - but the wireless was buggy and cut out. Is this true? A backup camera is high on my list for safety as a new driver.

3.) Anything else that is non standard that would be critical to know? Am I limited in what can be install on the roof? Does the hardwired electric cord cause any "gotchas". Stuff like that.

4.) Do the CA rigs have the black water flush like the Coachmen Leprechaun I've been looking at with El Monte RV?

Hopefully some of the folks that bought from Cruise America will be able to let me know if I'm worrying for nothing. The pricing difference for me is substantial, even when I add back things like the awning. Since the difference is roughly 5 months of living expenses on the road - I really need to make sure I'm giving the CA rig a fair evalution.


My 2012 23A has a small solar panel installed on top of the AC unit. They started using what appears to be trickle charging for the house battery. It seems to keep the house battery topped off. The panel monitor has a light indicating the solar panel is generating power.
I have a single 12V house battery and thinking of purchasing a portable 50 or 100W suitcase solar panel that attaches directly to the battery, or replace the small solar panel with a larger one.
I don't use a television or excessive electronic devices while traveling, so I don't need much. The only thing I need is power for my CPAP machine.

CA installed my awning for $800 (CA also gave me a $1000 discount for ordering during a spring promotion).

Regarding back up camera. I just had a wired model installed. It is on the rear bumper and the wiring goes under the rig. It was not possible to have a wired camera installed at the top of the rig. I got it done at a local radio installer in my home town. I did have to find one who knew RVs and was willing to do the install. The shop owner has an RV and is very comfortable with RV camera installs.

Also installed a car alarm and activated key fobs for entry. My 23a has electric doors, but only was able to enter by unlocking the door. With key fob, I can unlock/lock from a distance.

When I looked at El Monte rigs, they were a hot mess. Nothing was refurbed and they looked like they just came back from a wretched ride. I liked how CA does the refurb. Granted, it wasn't perfect, but I was pleased with what I eventually ended up with.

bghouse
Explorer
Explorer
craz z wrote:
Ive got an older 23a. Ive got 2 batteries in it one outside in the normal spot and 1 under the bed both agm 400ah. Did a full solar setup 2 panels. 3000 watt full sine. Huge welding cables ran it down near the shower vent. Morningstar ts45 with temp sensor and remote panel to my door entry. Works awesome! Runs everything but ac microwave and fridge.

Never without power i boondock exclusively.

Convertor is always turned off and only use power or genset for ac and convection microwave.

Flush is not on them and not needed. I use a camco swizel stick for sensor cleaning u can put a tank flush on but u have to drill the tank. Reviews arent that hot on them for me to poke a hole in the tank.

I anchored my panels with lags into the roof with plenty of dicor same procedure as roof vents non issue. I used eterna bond for cable runs to the shower vent nothing had moved since installation.


Thank you!

bghouse
Explorer
Explorer
Snowman9000 wrote:
bghouse, do you recall that I wrote a week or two ago to your question about adding a second battery?


Ugh, Snowman9000 - no, I totally forgot. Where is my brain these days - lol. I'll make some coffee and go backwards through the thread to find that again, thank you.

Snowman9000
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Explorer
bghouse, do you recall that I wrote a week or two ago to your question about adding a second battery?
Currently RV-less but not done yet.

craz_z
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Explorer
Ive got an older 23a. Ive got 2 batteries in it one outside in the normal spot and 1 under the bed both agm 400ah. Did a full solar setup 2 panels. 3000 watt full sine. Huge welding cables ran it down near the shower vent. Morningstar ts45 with temp sensor and remote panel to my door entry. Works awesome! Runs everything but ac microwave and fridge.

Never without power i boondock exclusively.

Convertor is always turned off and only use power or genset for ac and convection microwave.

Flush is not on them and not needed. I use a camco swizel stick for sensor cleaning u can put a tank flush on but u have to drill the tank. Reviews arent that hot on them for me to poke a hole in the tank.

I anchored my panels with lags into the roof with plenty of dicor same procedure as roof vents non issue. I used eterna bond for cable runs to the shower vent nothing had moved since installation.

bghouse
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Explorer
Ah - thanks Photomike... Looking at the Cruise America website, the 23A does have a generator.

Photomike
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bghouse wrote:
Before I put this to rest - I need to make sure I've given the Cruise America model a fair analysis. There are currently a couple things that make me pause, and I need to understand if there are potential solutions that I can live with - or move off CA for good.

1.) The single battery vs dual battery. I'm concerned that in the future if I want to add solar and an inverter that the Cruise America 23A will not allow it. Are there other options for the battery (even if it costs more) to be able to add the second one somewhere? Hanging bracket under the coach? Somewhere inside with Lithium maybe? I don't plan to boondock immediately - I'll be at campgrounds. Anything else that the single battery limits me on? Can I still run A/C or the microwave on shore power?

2.) Backup camera. I read somewhere that someone tried to install a backup camera on the Cruise America coach and couldn't run the wires, so had to go wireless - but the wireless was buggy and cut out. Is this true? A backup camera is high on my list for safety as a new driver.

3.) Anything else that is non standard that would be critical to know? Am I limited in what can be install on the roof? Does the hardwired electric cord cause any "gotchas". Stuff like that.

4.) Do the CA rigs have the black water flush like the Coachmen Leprechaun I've been looking at with El Monte RV?

Hopefully some of the folks that bought from Cruise America will be able to let me know if I'm worrying for nothing. The pricing difference for me is substantial, even when I add back things like the awning. Since the difference is roughly 5 months of living expenses on the road - I really need to make sure I'm giving the CA rig a fair evalution.


You don't say if you have a generator or not. My 19G does not have one so I used the space for a custom battery tray that holds 4 6V easily. Plus I have extra space and space for a 12V if I wanted one.

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bghouse
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Before I put this to rest - I need to make sure I've given the Cruise America model a fair analysis. There are currently a couple things that make me pause, and I need to understand if there are potential solutions that I can live with - or move off CA for good.

1.) The single battery vs dual battery. I'm concerned that in the future if I want to add solar and an inverter that the Cruise America 23A will not allow it. Are there other options for the battery (even if it costs more) to be able to add the second one somewhere? Hanging bracket under the coach? Somewhere inside with Lithium maybe? I don't plan to boondock immediately - I'll be at campgrounds. Anything else that the single battery limits me on? Can I still run A/C or the microwave on shore power?

2.) Backup camera. I read somewhere that someone tried to install a backup camera on the Cruise America coach and couldn't run the wires, so had to go wireless - but the wireless was buggy and cut out. Is this true? A backup camera is high on my list for safety as a new driver.

3.) Anything else that is non standard that would be critical to know? Am I limited in what can be install on the roof? Does the hardwired electric cord cause any "gotchas". Stuff like that.

4.) Do the CA rigs have the black water flush like the Coachmen Leprechaun I've been looking at with El Monte RV?

Hopefully some of the folks that bought from Cruise America will be able to let me know if I'm worrying for nothing. The pricing difference for me is substantial, even when I add back things like the awning. Since the difference is roughly 5 months of living expenses on the road - I really need to make sure I'm giving the CA rig a fair evalution.

bghouse
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Explorer
IAMICHABOD wrote:
The build sheet on mine is listed as a Commercial Model, they buy these in lots, so yes they may have a different number for the Commercial ones,mine has the same specs as the non Commercial units.


The 210 is the same Floor plan

El Monte Listing

There should be a build sheet in the RV listing all the specs,mine was in the closet.


Perfect - thank you again!

flavtfan
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Explorer
bghouse wrote:
Okay - does anyone know why I can't find this 2014 Coachmen Leprechaun 23QB listed as a model on any of the brochures / specification sheets? I'm trying to check weights and this model doesn't seem to exist.

I thought El Monte RV purchased normal production models, is that not true? Is this a model that was custom built for them instead - like Cruise America does?


I had to look a year prior to mine to have the model actually show up when I was doing insurance and stuff for it. I had to look up 2008 instead of 2009 then it showed.

510dogmom
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Explorer
Does anyone have information on the tiny solar panel that is on the CA 23a? What volts/wattage, etc?

Also, the monitor on my RV wall says the battery is at around 11 volts. I checked the battery with a multimeter and it shows the level at 12.3. Should I be concerned that the monitor is showing the wrong information?