Aug-13-2016 10:08 PM
Aug-14-2016 12:58 PM
gemert wrote:msmith1199 wrote:gemert wrote:msmith1199 wrote:gemert wrote:rockhillmanor wrote:
I still think it's a case of driving too fast. And over reacting.
He was in left lane passing and going too fast. Had he been driving the speed limit a coach towing should have been in the right lane, it wouldn't have flipped over when he tried to go around around what ever was laying in the road.
Over reacted at high speeds. Just saying. We will never know what really happened from just the video though.
And how can you tell he was speeding or going too fast! You would have to know how fast the truck was going and that wasn't given. I have been certified as a police speed radar Operator in Florida since 1989. Part of that is being able to estimate speed of moving traffic within 3 MPH. From the cab of a truck though it is unlikely that anyone can accurately estimate either vehicles speed without knowing at least one of them. Give the driver a break! I usually drive at 62 regardless of the speed limit (you know what I mean) and I even pass a truck every now and then.
Actually, assuming the video plays at actual speed, it would not be too difficult to figure out the speed mathematically based on the time and the stripes in the road. You would have to know the distance between the stripes.
LOL, I'm a retired Navy Chief and State Cop not a rocket Scientist. I just hate convicting some poor slob here on this super fair and friendly forum when we don't have the required info to do so. My sense of fair play I guess.
I'm a retired cop too. If I was investigating this crash and wanted to know the speed, I'd do the math.
My point exactly. I learned the formula in THI school but we don't have that info here!!! If we did we could. My point was that you cannot tell by the video. The driver deserves the benefit of the doubt here even though I will get blasted because I used three exclamation points when only one was actually required and probably not in that sentence!
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Aug-14-2016 12:43 PM
Aug-14-2016 12:28 PM
Aug-14-2016 10:23 AM
rockhillmanor wrote:Actually, Rock, you are trying to pass off your opinion as fact. You made the statement that the MH was, "going too fast" and not "driving the speed limit". So Rock, what exactly was his speed? By how much, exactly, was he exceeding the speed limit? So please, Rock, stick to the facts that we know, which in this case are zip.gemert wrote:rockhillmanor wrote:
I still think it's a case of driving too fast. And over reacting.
He was in left lane passing and going too fast. Had he been driving the speed limit a coach towing should have been in the right lane, it wouldn't have flipped over when he tried to go around around what ever was laying in the road.
Over reacted at high speeds. Just saying.We will never know what really happened from just the video though.
And how can you tell he was speeding or going too fast! You would have to know how fast the truck was going and that wasn't given. I have been certified as a police speed radar Operator in Florida since 1989. Part of that is being able to estimate speed of moving traffic within 3 MPH. From the cab of a truck though it is unlikely that anyone can accurately estimate either vehicles speed without knowing at least one of them. Give the driver a break! I usually drive at 62 regardless of the speed limit (you know what I mean) and I even pass a truck every now and then.
Chill out, Glad you are certified radar reader. But This forum is for ALL to give their "opinion". And that is all there is to it, opinions.:W
Aug-14-2016 10:22 AM
wa8yxm wrote:
If you search these forums, I believe there is a thread "Watching these videos may save your life" or something close to that.
Believe it.
Aug-14-2016 10:11 AM
Mr.Mark wrote:Mile High wrote:rgatijnet1 wrote:Mile High wrote:
I can't find it now, but I read the article about that roll-over, and the couple were elderly and walked away with minor injuries. The Driver said it caught him completely off guard. The article also credited the cable barrier for preventing him from crossing into oncoming traffic.
Saw this video about how to handle a blowout - All good info, but I honestly don't think I would automatically react the way they recommend.
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Don't know about the article you read but the cable barriers DID NOT prevent him from crossing in to oncoming traffic. If you click on my link above you will see that the coach ended up on it's side, with the truck, and it had slid all of the way across the oncoming lanes and stopped in the curb lane. It was fortunate that there was no traffic in the opposite direction at the time when the RV was sliding over.
Just saying what I read - wasn't there, don't care.
Found it by the way - it was actually a quote from the State Patrol, so take it for what it is worth.
Huffington Post
Just my own personal opinion, I don't think that the cable barrier was beneficial. Actually, I think that the cable barrier caused the motorhome to flip and go into oncoming traffic.
As I mentioned earlier, the guy driving the motorhome had it under control when he was in the middle of the median. The cable caught something under the motorhome causing it to flip.
If you have any interest, start the video and do a 'frame by frame' look, I think the barrier caused more problems than it helped.
Be safe out there!
MM.
Aug-14-2016 10:10 AM
gemert wrote:rockhillmanor wrote:
I still think it's a case of driving too fast. And over reacting.
He was in left lane passing and going too fast. Had he been driving the speed limit a coach towing should have been in the right lane, it wouldn't have flipped over when he tried to go around around what ever was laying in the road.
Over reacted at high speeds. Just saying.We will never know what really happened from just the video though.
And how can you tell he was speeding or going too fast! You would have to know how fast the truck was going and that wasn't given. I have been certified as a police speed radar Operator in Florida since 1989. Part of that is being able to estimate speed of moving traffic within 3 MPH. From the cab of a truck though it is unlikely that anyone can accurately estimate either vehicles speed without knowing at least one of them. Give the driver a break! I usually drive at 62 regardless of the speed limit (you know what I mean) and I even pass a truck every now and then.
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Aug-14-2016 10:09 AM
msmith1199 wrote:gemert wrote:msmith1199 wrote:gemert wrote:rockhillmanor wrote:
I still think it's a case of driving too fast. And over reacting.
He was in left lane passing and going too fast. Had he been driving the speed limit a coach towing should have been in the right lane, it wouldn't have flipped over when he tried to go around around what ever was laying in the road.
Over reacted at high speeds. Just saying. We will never know what really happened from just the video though.
And how can you tell he was speeding or going too fast! You would have to know how fast the truck was going and that wasn't given. I have been certified as a police speed radar Operator in Florida since 1989. Part of that is being able to estimate speed of moving traffic within 3 MPH. From the cab of a truck though it is unlikely that anyone can accurately estimate either vehicles speed without knowing at least one of them. Give the driver a break! I usually drive at 62 regardless of the speed limit (you know what I mean) and I even pass a truck every now and then.
Actually, assuming the video plays at actual speed, it would not be too difficult to figure out the speed mathematically based on the time and the stripes in the road. You would have to know the distance between the stripes.
LOL, I'm a retired Navy Chief and State Cop not a rocket Scientist. I just hate convicting some poor slob here on this super fair and friendly forum when we don't have the required info to do so. My sense of fair play I guess.
I'm a retired cop too. If I was investigating this crash and wanted to know the speed, I'd do the math.
Aug-14-2016 10:05 AM
gemert wrote:msmith1199 wrote:gemert wrote:rockhillmanor wrote:
I still think it's a case of driving too fast. And over reacting.
He was in left lane passing and going too fast. Had he been driving the speed limit a coach towing should have been in the right lane, it wouldn't have flipped over when he tried to go around around what ever was laying in the road.
Over reacted at high speeds. Just saying. We will never know what really happened from just the video though.
And how can you tell he was speeding or going too fast! You would have to know how fast the truck was going and that wasn't given. I have been certified as a police speed radar Operator in Florida since 1989. Part of that is being able to estimate speed of moving traffic within 3 MPH. From the cab of a truck though it is unlikely that anyone can accurately estimate either vehicles speed without knowing at least one of them. Give the driver a break! I usually drive at 62 regardless of the speed limit (you know what I mean) and I even pass a truck every now and then.
Actually, assuming the video plays at actual speed, it would not be too difficult to figure out the speed mathematically based on the time and the stripes in the road. You would have to know the distance between the stripes.
LOL, I'm a retired Navy Chief and State Cop not a rocket Scientist. I just hate convicting some poor slob here on this super fair and friendly forum when we don't have the required info to do so. My sense of fair play I guess.
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Aug-14-2016 10:02 AM
Mr.Mark wrote:Mile High wrote:rgatijnet1 wrote:Mile High wrote:
I can't find it now, but I read the article about that roll-over, and the couple were elderly and walked away with minor injuries. The Driver said it caught him completely off guard. The article also credited the cable barrier for preventing him from crossing into oncoming traffic.
Saw this video about how to handle a blowout - All good info, but I honestly don't think I would automatically react the way they recommend.
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Don't know about the article you read but the cable barriers DID NOT prevent him from crossing in to oncoming traffic. If you click on my link above you will see that the coach ended up on it's side, with the truck, and it had slid all of the way across the oncoming lanes and stopped in the curb lane. It was fortunate that there was no traffic in the opposite direction at the time when the RV was sliding over.
Just saying what I read - wasn't there, don't care.
Found it by the way - it was actually a quote from the State Patrol, so take it for what it is worth.
Huffington Post
Just my own personal opinion, I don't think that the cable barrier was beneficial. Actually, I think that the cable barrier caused the motorhome to flip and go into oncoming traffic.
As I mentioned earlier, the guy driving the motorhome had it under control when he was in the middle of the median. The cable caught something under the motorhome causing it to flip.
If you have any interest, start the video and do a 'frame by frame' look, I think the barrier caused more problems than it helped.
Be safe out there!
MM.
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Aug-14-2016 10:00 AM
msmith1199 wrote:gemert wrote:rockhillmanor wrote:
I still think it's a case of driving too fast. And over reacting.
He was in left lane passing and going too fast. Had he been driving the speed limit a coach towing should have been in the right lane, it wouldn't have flipped over when he tried to go around around what ever was laying in the road.
Over reacted at high speeds. Just saying. We will never know what really happened from just the video though.
And how can you tell he was speeding or going too fast! You would have to know how fast the truck was going and that wasn't given. I have been certified as a police speed radar Operator in Florida since 1989. Part of that is being able to estimate speed of moving traffic within 3 MPH. From the cab of a truck though it is unlikely that anyone can accurately estimate either vehicles speed without knowing at least one of them. Give the driver a break! I usually drive at 62 regardless of the speed limit (you know what I mean) and I even pass a truck every now and then.
Actually, assuming the video plays at actual speed, it would not be too difficult to figure out the speed mathematically based on the time and the stripes in the road. You would have to know the distance between the stripes.
Aug-14-2016 09:53 AM
Mile High wrote:rgatijnet1 wrote:Mile High wrote:
I can't find it now, but I read the article about that roll-over, and the couple were elderly and walked away with minor injuries. The Driver said it caught him completely off guard. The article also credited the cable barrier for preventing him from crossing into oncoming traffic.
Saw this video about how to handle a blowout - All good info, but I honestly don't think I would automatically react the way they recommend.
Nevada Test Center
Don't know about the article you read but the cable barriers DID NOT prevent him from crossing in to oncoming traffic. If you click on my link above you will see that the coach ended up on it's side, with the truck, and it had slid all of the way across the oncoming lanes and stopped in the curb lane. It was fortunate that there was no traffic in the opposite direction at the time when the RV was sliding over.
Just saying what I read - wasn't there, don't care.
Found it by the way - it was actually a quote from the State Patrol, so take it for what it is worth.
Huffington Post
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Aug-14-2016 09:51 AM
gemert wrote:rockhillmanor wrote:
I still think it's a case of driving too fast. And over reacting.
He was in left lane passing and going too fast. Had he been driving the speed limit a coach towing should have been in the right lane, it wouldn't have flipped over when he tried to go around around what ever was laying in the road.
Over reacted at high speeds. Just saying. We will never know what really happened from just the video though.
And how can you tell he was speeding or going too fast! You would have to know how fast the truck was going and that wasn't given. I have been certified as a police speed radar Operator in Florida since 1989. Part of that is being able to estimate speed of moving traffic within 3 MPH. From the cab of a truck though it is unlikely that anyone can accurately estimate either vehicles speed without knowing at least one of them. Give the driver a break! I usually drive at 62 regardless of the speed limit (you know what I mean) and I even pass a truck every now and then.
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Aug-14-2016 09:43 AM
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