Deal on the Coachmen 2009 27RS fell thru

[seb1899]

Well the dealer is in the unit so deep that 6 new tires , a spare and the brake controller as well as some trim repairs cannot be done w/out my participation.

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

We are now looking at a 2014 Fleetwood Tioga Montara. My proposed deal with the trade I had offered before at the same value would net him $64,925 for the 25k model with the V10 engine. Do you think this provides the dealer with a reasonable margin? (he already is 'stealing' my trade)?

The second question is which engine on this unit is the best choice- 5.4V8 or the V10?

My primary choice for this unit is not to have a dinghy as I would use Enterprise for a longterm stay/sightseeing and do without a Toad. In future I might tow a Jon Boat for Florida park stays and would not need a dinghy.

My question is should I buy with the larger motor (work less hard for travel w/o the dinghy (anticipating future towing) or buy with the smaller engine knowing it will 'work harder' when I do tow.

We are currently doing about 15k per year with our fiver and it will probably go up when not towing.

[woodgeezer]

So are you saying you wouldn't participate in the cost of maybe $1,500 worth of ugrgrades/changes so you could pay too much for something else?

We are all speculating on what the dealers situration is, maybe he's buried in the costs, or has another buyer willing to take it As-Is and do the upgrades themselves.

Regardless my Grandfather would say this is tripping over dollars to save pennies or for about 2% of the total.

You offered, they declined, you didn't have a deal, it was not greed or anything else you want to pin on them, it was no deal, period.

[Mich_F]

Congrats on buying the new motor home. When do you pick it up?

[seb1899]

Thanks to all who posted and what a great source of knowledge and opinion this forum is.

I spent 26 years in the construction equipment business most of it in management on the retail side of the business and I do know the difference between a good deal and a good looking deal.
I bought the Tioga 25K (V-10 450)today and although I probably paid too much for it it is what I wanted. I played the dealer game and traded my '10 Rockwood 8285WS but I do not have to put up with tire kickers and loonies coming to my home during the sales process. I will sell my 'creampuff' (60K mi) '08 Silverado Allison Durmax xtended cab long bed and this will offset some of my cost as I 'bought this truck right'

I have a truck that has 3 yrs 50,000 mi warranty and a coach with 1 year warranty which I will use the heck out of so any deficiencies are evident under warranty.


I plan to enjoy this unit going to the 'Oprey (Nashville), Myrtle Beach as well as visiting relatives in Nova Scotia. I can now afford the ferry costs to go to Newfoundland.

So my philosophy is not to sweat the small stuff - Don't Worry Be Happy as I will never have to put water on my Cheerios. I know the sales manager is happy and the salesman is happy and I have the unit I wanted. Could I have ground out another reduction probably but I did not want to sit there all day or go back again as I have other things to do- that is not to say I have $ to burn but I am happy with the deal I made.

See you all down the road as I have my reservations made for Florida January 4 to February 16 and will do the rest of February and March as soon as the calendar (11 mos in advance)permits

Happy camping!

[Desert_Captain]

Sounds like you are close to deal you can live with on the the new unit. Yes the dealer will make money on both ends of the transaction, it's the nature of the beast. Definitely go with the V-10, I would be surprised if you can even get the 5.4L in a 25' C as that motor has been replaced by the 5.0 or the 6.7. I loved the 5.4L in my 2006 F-150 for towing a 5K TT but for that class C the V-10 is a no brainer. You will love the 5 speed torque Shift tranny with full tow haul mode. Good luck! :C

[Bumpyroad]

Mich F wrote:
I'm pretty sure bumpy wasn't suggesting you run around on old tires or without a spare. Perhaps you could figure that into the cost of buying that unit. .

yep, just figure it on start up costs. basically he made an offer, they refused, but unlike the thread title, there was no deal to fall thru. he just couldn't meet their price. I'm sure if the dealer could have made a buck on his offer they would have taken it.

and from the statement about cannot be done w/out my participation indicates to me that they would have worked with him on the cost of those items. but instead, picked up his toys and left.

bumpy

[Mich_F]

I'm pretty sure bumpy wasn't suggesting you run around on old tires or without a spare. Perhaps you could figure that into the cost of buying that unit.
From the numbers you're talking on the new unit, it looks like you're willing to throw away many thousands of dollars by paying way too much on that "deal".

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I didn't see your previous post when I posted but it doesn't change much of anything.

They're going to make a whole bunch more money from you by selling you the new rather than the old used unit.

[seb1899]

I want to clarify the fact that I made the offer on the Coachmen CONTINGENT upon receiving it with the new tires, vacuum, spare,brake controler and a couple of trim repairs

Thy came back wanting me to participate in the cost of these items. I DID NOT RENEG THEY COULD NOT MEET MY OFFER

[Snowman9000]

I agree with Mich F on the price. That unit should be able to be bought in the mid-50's before trade allowance. I bought a 2014 Sunseeker for 38% off MSRP, before a wholesale trade allowance; there is a lot of margin in the small Class C prices as far as I can see.

Given the choice of 350 or 450 chassis, I believe I'd take the 450, although there are pros and cons either way. Really, your call.

[Bumpyroad]

seb1899 wrote:
Bumpy, with due respect you do not know what the deal is. Would you like to ride on 6 year old tires? Maybe you do but I will not. Would you travel with out a viable spare? It was advertised as having a central vacuum - it is not there. There was a brake controller but it is not there now. Do you tow without braking ability?

Yes give me the life time fuel supply

sounds to me like you were asking for too much with those extras. what you made a deal on a price, then asked them for $1000 worth of extra stuff and you whine about them refusing it?
bumpy

[seb1899]

Bumpy, with due respect you do not know what the deal is. Would you like to ride on 6 year old tires? Maybe you do but I will not. Would you travel with out a viable spare? It was advertised as having a central vacuum - it is not there. There was a brake controller but it is not there now. Do you tow without braking ability?

Yes give me the life time fuel supply

[Bumpyroad]

Mich F wrote:

It wasn't worth following through on the Coachmen ? It would seem a shame to pass up a good deal for a $1500 or so difference. Naturally you're going to be paying a lot more for a new Fleetwood, or new anything.

sounds sorta like the old, cut off your nose to spite your face. six new tires, brake controller, why not a lifetime supply of free gasoline?
bumpy

[Mich_F]

If you're looking at a unit with a $75,000 MSRP, you should be paying somewhere around $55,000 and the dealer is still making money.
I'd go for the V10 in that motor home.
I wouldn't be concerned with how much the dealer is making, if he's not making enough, there's no deal.
It wasn't worth following through on the Coachmen ? It would seem a shame to pass up a good deal for a $1500 or so difference. Naturally you're going to be paying a lot more for a new Fleetwood, or new anything.

[seb1899]

I checked NADA and with the V-10 option (the only one that affects the price) the MSRP is $75,539.

Using 23% of the MSRP it would seem the dealer cost is $58,088 so a deal that nets him 15% would be 8$66,801 and a 10% deal would be $63,897 so I think my offer that nets him $64,925 is fair.

The dealer is 'stealing' my '10 Rockwood 8285WS as he will have 14k in it and the NADA low retail is @22,880 and the high is $27,565 so they should make money.

It is hard to 'figure' trailer values and I guess the definitive value is really the Manheim auction but us 'civilians' cannot and do not have the expertise to track the prices.

I will post to let you know how I make out.

[pauldub]

NADA has a bluebook for motorhomes but you're probably better off looking for similar rigs on craigslist, ebay, or at ppl motorhomes. You should be able to buy the new one for 22-23% below MSRP.