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Microsoft Streets & Trips Program

dstock50
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Has anyone found a replacement for the program MS Streets & Trips ? I've been using it for years but MS has seen fit to end production.
I bought Delorme 2014, not even close and operation was very difficult, with common routing not useable.
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Johno02
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I was a systems programmer starting on an IBM 1401, just a few years ago. We didn't even have a display screen. Delorme didn't work at all on a Selectric Printer. Guess I will have to get used to it.
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bshpilot
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NAUTIQUE wrote:
My understanding was that, using S&t with a GPS puck would allow you to plan an exact route that you wanted and then follow it like a Garmin type GPS. Is this correct? Advantage of planning your own route & bigger laptop screen.
I believe only S&T and Delorme programs had that option?


You are correct...and of course you can save the S&T route for reuse or REVERSE trip later.

When i used MSFT S&T I would add in all the Flying J's so i knew where i could stop & how far it was to the next potential stop - allowed me for better "tank to tank" planning.

I used to run a tethered cell/modem and refresh weather maps & check live fuel pricing "on the fly" (about as realtime as you could get, at the time).

Unfortunately if you're running a macbook there aren't as many choices (now) and only a few for windows laptops these days too.

In S&T I liked that i could calculate departure / arrival times (and MANUALLY adjust the anticipated speed) to estimate my arrival times. S&T is also good for calculating the cost of a trip (based on fuel prices and your configured mpg).

Road Trip Planner (for the mac) has a lot of the MSFT S&T features.





NAUTIQUE wrote:

Also,
I tried the WAZE app on my IPhone6 today - Very neat little program showing me real time slow traffic, break-downs, police officer locations, etc. on my commute home tonight. I understand it will also re-route you around major tie-ups. This would be great to have running along side a laptop running S&T in the motorhome!
Only drawback I found was that I couldn't get it to play thru the phones external speaker or through bluetooth connection on Ford sync?? It was just coming thru the normal phone speaker like you had it up to your ear.


WAZE will re-route based on CURRENT (realtime) conditions....BECAUSE...the data feed is 2-way.....your position and progress (aka speed) are reported and collected (normalized to a point of anonymity) for reuse & updating of the present / live conditions.

When WAZE senses your not moving it will prompt "are you sitting in heavy traffic"....a simple yes or no helps keep the data current. IF WAZE can shorten your route (because of a wreck or delay) it will OFFER the course deviation and tell you how much time it could save you (you DONT have to accept the route change).

I don't use the feature myself but there is built-in voice recognition so you can further reduce the "touch-ing" and selecting of items on the screen.

there is an option/preference selection to USE the phones speaker or bluethooth - i play my smartphone music via either the hardware phone connection or bluetooth & WAZE will periodically / briefly interrupt the music to warn me "police reported ahead" or when i need to turn etc.

you can reduce or turn off the periodic / brief interruptions if you don't like your music OR PHONE CALL being interrupted.
Don R.
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bshpilot
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Don R.
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NAUTIQUE
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My understanding was that, using S&t with a GPS puck would allow you to plan an exact route that you wanted and then follow it like a Garmin type GPS. Is this correct? Advantage of planning your own route & bigger laptop screen.
I believe only S&T and Delorme programs had that option?

Also,
I tried the WAZE app on my IPhone6 today - Very neat little program showing me real time slow traffic, break-downs, police officer locations, etc. on my commute home tonight. I understand it will also re-route you around major tie-ups. This would be great to have running along side a laptop running S&T in the motorhome!
Only drawback I found was that I couldn't get it to play thru the phones external speaker or through bluetooth connection on Ford sync?? It was just coming thru the normal phone speaker like you had it up to your ear.
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bshpilot
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GordonThree wrote:
bshpilot wrote:
WAZE is not a road trip or trip planning software - its a NAVIGATION program with some (on the fly) searchable & realtime integration.


I was under the impression S&T (the subject of the post) was primarily a trip planning program, and not a navigation program. If Google's WAZE doesn't do trip planning, how is it a valid alternative to S&T?


i was offering an alternative to GPS' and software that is for all intensive purposes DEAD / End of Life.

S&T - love it as i may could be made into a navigation software when you added a gps antenna (although that wasn't its intention).

S&T was great in its day - lots of users created & shared POI files...but theyre disappearing as will the construction data updates & map updates.

even google maps (on-line, obviously) allows trip planning (multi pin placement) - but its not nav software per se, garmin also had a trip planning program (it sucks too, just like rand's)

smartphone software (and imbedded gps') has advanced enough that a GPS has marginal value now (you still have to update the GPS, which is a PIA & takes forever), its rare not to have a cell connection (even a slow EDGE one is adequate for navigation).
Don R.
'04 42' Haulmark Motor Coach - 450hp/1650tq / 12 spd SmartShift
'12 Jeep Wrangler Sport (manual trans)
'17 Platinum F350 (6.7L, SRW, CC, Long bed, 4x4)

GordonThree
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bshpilot wrote:
WAZE is not a road trip or trip planning software - its a NAVIGATION program with some (on the fly) searchable & realtime integration.


I was under the impression S&T (the subject of the post) was primarily a trip planning program, and not a navigation program. If Google's WAZE doesn't do trip planning, how is it a valid alternative to S&T?
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bshpilot
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For those who have a Mac (who miss MSFT S&T or don't want to run MSFT S&T in a Virtual Machine via VMware Fushion) -
you might like Road Trip Planner - you could probably even run it in a Virtual Machine on a Windows Laptop (with Parallels)

Theres even a FREE version of Road Trip Planner (maximum of 4 pins/stops).

WAZE is not a road trip or trip planning software - its a NAVIGATION program with some (on the fly) searchable & realtime integration.
Don R.
'04 42' Haulmark Motor Coach - 450hp/1650tq / 12 spd SmartShift
'12 Jeep Wrangler Sport (manual trans)
'17 Platinum F350 (6.7L, SRW, CC, Long bed, 4x4)

bshpilot
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Alan_Hepburn wrote:
bshpilot wrote:

Many of us can use the tethering mode on their phones to connect a laptop (if theres no other free internet wireless connection) & further GET A MiFI / personal hot spot - with the shared data plans i now have 60 GB to share between the MiFI & my smartphone - for an inexpensive $125 bucks per month.


What carrier offers 60GB for $125?


at&t -

shared data 15G plan, doubled your data to 30G & i kept my data used low for the 1st month, so now w/ carry over data its possible to be in the 57-60G range.

the last two months I've carried over 27 G.

you burn your carried data over FIRST, so its very likely (unless were traveling in the coach and I'm working from "home" in the coach) that ill burn 60G in a month.
Don R.
'04 42' Haulmark Motor Coach - 450hp/1650tq / 12 spd SmartShift
'12 Jeep Wrangler Sport (manual trans)
'17 Platinum F350 (6.7L, SRW, CC, Long bed, 4x4)

Alan_Hepburn
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bshpilot wrote:

Many of us can use the tethering mode on their phones to connect a laptop (if theres no other free internet wireless connection) & further GET A MiFI / personal hot spot - with the shared data plans i now have 60 GB to share between the MiFI & my smartphone - for an inexpensive $125 bucks per month.


What carrier offers 60GB for $125?
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JumboJet
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NAUTIQUE wrote:

It sounds like Delorme is not well liked and there are no other programs like this?


From the comments I have read, I still can't figure out what is hard about Delorme.

Saving a map file is just as easy as saving a Word or Excel document.

Well, I guess I have an advantage because I work in IT and have been using personal computers since the early 80's.

I mean, I don't care what you use or your skill set, but Delorme is no more difficult than any other mapping utility, and I have owned several. I have no association with Delorme except being a repeat customer year after year.

Another thing, all companies that create maps for purchase purposefully place errors or other indicators to protect their copyright.

NAUTIQUE
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I was planning on setting up a laptop with S&T & GPS puck in the M.H.
Then the phased it out 😞
Really liked the idea of being able to plan out the route I wanted to take and then being able to follow it on the laptop.
Sooo... Is it still worth getting an old S&T to do this?
It sounds like Delorme is not well liked and there are no other programs like this?
I'm thinking that, even if S&T is no longer updated, it'll still be nice to plan on & can be used in conjunction with our Garmin and/or smartphone.
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GordonThree
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I just tried using WAZE to plan a route from Michigan to Utah, and it fails. I get some error about it being more than 1000 miles away. I'll stick to S&T which has no such limitation.
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rr2254545
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Johno02 wrote:
I bought the new 2015 version of Delorme Street atlas, and so far am very disapointed with it. Guess I am just used to S&T, and haven't got up to speed with Delorme yet. I have a lot of trouble just trying to save maps, and even more trying to recover and reuse. POIs are missing or impossible to find, and route choices arelimited to fastest or shortest. So far, I have found several map errors in streets being in the wrong places, and unable to locate places by street names. Called DeLorme about one problem, and they did not seem to be interested.


x3 on Delorme

I am using Good Sam road trip planner - I really like it almost better than S&T
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bshpilot
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JumboJet wrote:


Do you actually create a route, or you just having it on for messages concerning traffic, radar, etc.?


it will do both !

WAZE will announce / warn you where cops have (recently) been reported (by other users)...along your route (or on the road that you're traveling on, even if you have not created a route or destination).
Don R.
'04 42' Haulmark Motor Coach - 450hp/1650tq / 12 spd SmartShift
'12 Jeep Wrangler Sport (manual trans)
'17 Platinum F350 (6.7L, SRW, CC, Long bed, 4x4)

dodge_guy
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I have an old copy of a Rand McNally trip maker software that came with a free atlas from Chrysler years ago (2002?). To this day I still use it. I had bought Microsoft Streets and trips, it worked for about 6 months and then stopped working, always asking for the product key, which I had and used to install it in my computer! When it did work I wasn't happy with it! I just went back to the out of date Rand McNally Trip Planner, it works great! Sure some of the campgrounds/destinations have changed, but the end result is still the same. It gets me where I need to be.
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