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Question on Michelin tires for our 97' Georgie Boy,,,,

moon_lake
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We had the front drivers side tire go on us last week, so trying to research all the tires out there,,, we have cooper lt235/85R16/E right now, but looking at "Michelin LTX M/S2 Tire LT235/85R16/E"
the ad says: LTX M/S2
The new and improved MICHELIN LTX M/S2 tires provides best in class all-season safety* and utility for ultimate confidence. * Based on accident avoidance tests in adverse conditions like wet handling, wet braking, and snow traction tests for p-metric and LT-metric sizes versus Bridgestone Dueler H/T 684II, Goodyear Fortera TT, Wrangler SA and Wrangler RTS.
Features and Benefits:
An additional steel belt in E load range tires provides incredible durability and strength to handle loads up to 13,500 lbs :Longest lasting, Most Fuel-Efficient tire for Pick up trucks
The newly optimized contact patch of MaxTouch Construction" and special tread compounds combine to deliver XX% more miles, and make the LTX M/S2 tires true eco-friendly tires (LT metric sizes are Green-X tires). 70,000 mile Treadware Warranty :Three-Steel-Belt Durability

Being the greenhorns that we are,,, what do you think about the "three steel belt" and the 70,000 mile warranty? Any of you have these tires?
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Jarlaxle
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Wait, WHAT?!?! LT235/85R16E is a VERY common size! A 235/85R16 that is NOT load range E is unusual!
John and Elizabeth (Liz), with Briza the size XL tabby
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John_Joey
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moon.lake wrote:
Thanks for the info,,, yes I went to the michelin website and for our rv it said the xps rib series, which are about $325. Per tire, just seems high for a 16" tire. Still shopping around. What do you think about commercial tires? Are they tougher, more for heavy duty trucks?
The data plate in our rig says we need LT235/85R16/E,, strange it requires LT (light truck).


It's all about the load range. Get that wrong and you'll have a blow out. Guessing you're on a F53 frame and require load range E. Not very many of those in a 16 inch.
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wny_pat1
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moon.lake wrote:
Are there any true American made tires anymore?

The 22.5 Firestone tires I just put on my DP were made in the USA.
moon.lake wrote:
I sure wish the tire manufacturers would treat rv tires with some sort of uv ray block.

The two companies that manufacturer RV tires, Michelin and Goodyear, do use UV protectant additives. I believe you will find that all tires have UV protectant in their rubber compound. They are the only tire companies that manufacturer "special RV tires".
Goodyear RV tires:
RV Tires
Unisteel series (G670RV, G149RSA, G169RSA, G647RSS, G614RST)
Wrangler HT (all weather)
Marathon (trailer towing)

Michelin RV tires XCA, XPS Rib, XRV, XZA, XZA1, XZA2 Energy, XZA3 Everthread, XZE, and XZE*.
“All journeys have secret destinations of which the traveler is unaware.”

J-Rooster
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moon.lake wrote:
Are Toyos made in China? Are there any true American made tires anymore? I sure
wish the tire manufacturers would treat rv tires with some sort of uv ray block.
We will of course use those funny looking tire covers, which by the way look like they've never been used!
So should we look for tires with the triple steel belt?
The only true American made tire is Goodyear! There were two American Tire companies at the beginning of 2013, Goodyear & Cooper, but Cooper Tires just sold out to Apollo Tire (India) so Goodyear is the truly last all American Company. The only tire that uses a UV blocking compound in there rubber is Michelin! If you join the FMCA ($50.00 per year) they have a fleet tire program with Michelin Tires called the Michelin Tire Advantage Program. I just used this program several months ago I bought 6 Michelin XRV's 235/80/22.5 tires for $378.00 per tire! My local tire dealer Les Schwab quoted me $506.00 for the same tires. The Michelin Tire Program will beat the Michelin price that other tire company quoted you! Good Luck in your tire search! Rooster

moon_lake
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Thanks,,, so should I be looking at commercial tires? I will also look into the same cooper srm's that my mh came with.

tatest
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I would not put LTX (or any polyester cord LT tire) on an A with 16 inch wheels, or a heavy C. The third steel belt is not so much a feature, as it is something needed to stiffen the tread for the load. An alternative stiffener used by other manufacturers is a Kevlar belt, which is lighter and offers extra some resistance against road hazards that can break a steel belt.

I would (did) buy a commercial grade all-steel corded tire like the XPS Rib, or the Bridgestone or Goodyear equivalents. Goodyear offers an all-season tread, if you don't want a rib tread tire. (Most commercial grade LT tires sold are rib treads, the tread design with the best wearing qualities, most miles of service, not usually an issue for RVs).

Yes, commercial grade, all steel tires like the XPS series are more expensive than tires of lighter construction. If you aren't heavily loaded, don't drive fast, don't drive on very hot roads or rough roads, a cheaper tire (construction and price) can save you several hundred dollars a set. But only if you buy the lower price brands, as LTX MS2 and Wrangler SR-A are not particularly low priced.

You have to decide whether you are trying to buy better tires, or save money on cheaper tires, you can't really accomplish both goals by buying a lighter construction tire that carries a price premium for the brand name (Goodyear, Michelin, Bridgestone/Firestone). If it comes in your size, one of the best bargains in LT commercial tires (of lighter construction) is Cooper's SRM. They also have a commercial Roadmaster line, but that starts in 17.5 sizes.

One of the reasons the XPS will be expensive is that the 16-inch sizes are manufactured in Germany or France, not in any of Michelin's plants in Asia or North America. Each of the major tire manufacturers has plants that turn out large numbers of popular tires in popular sizes, and others that can readily change production to make small batches of more specialized tires, like heavy duty LT tires, and high performance tires in rare sizes.

Even the load range E LTX MS2 tires are more of a specialty tire than the lighter load range versions of the same model, so that a MS2 in load range C might be a high volume tire from a U.S. plant, but your load range E may come from a Michelin specialty tire plant in Europe. I haven't checked the manufacturing code on any examples, dealers don't usually keep that tire out in the showroom, if they even have it in stock.

Been thinking about this more. If the chassis has Cooper tires on 16" wheels, someone put the tires on as a low-cost replacement. When GM was putting 16" wheels on the P-3x chassis for motorhome applications, the OEM tire was commercial grade all-steel, usually Michelin XPS or Goodyear. I think Ford was doing the same when the smaller GVWR versions of the F-53 had 16" wheels. Ford was putting Michelin LTX tires on the E-series, but not the medium duty F-series, those got commercial tires.
Tom Test
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moon_lake
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Are Toyos made in China? Are there any true American made tires anymore? I sure
wish the tire manufacturers would treat rv tires with some sort of uv ray block.
We will of course use those funny looking tire covers, which by the way look like they've never been used!
So should we look for tires with the triple steel belt?

LetsRV
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You might want to look at Toyo's. Have had them on passenger cars, Class A Motorhome. Great handling, nice ride, good mileage, highly recommend.

Not affiliated with them just a happy customer.

The 70,000 mile warranty is great but unless you are going to go 70,000 in 7 to 10 years...... it is generally recommended that MH tires be replace in the 7 year range. Due to age and nothing to do with mileage.

If you drive the tires every day the oils in the rubber keep the tires in good condition. If the tires sit stationary the oils will breakdown. Tire dealer can explain better or even a search on this site regarding tire replacement.

Good Luck
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F1bNorm
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moon.lake wrote:
Thanks for the info,,, yes I went to the michelin website and for our rv it said the xps rib series, which are about $325. Per tire, just seems high for a 16" tire. Still shopping around. What do you think about commercial tires? Are they tougher, more for heavy duty trucks?
The data plate in our rig says we need LT235/85R16/E,, strange it requires LT (light truck).


The MS2 tires were already much more expensive than competing brands, but the old MS1 tires worked very well and I didn't want to take the chance of messing with a very nice handling MH. Even taking advantage of the satisfaction guarantee, paying the difference between the LTX and the XPS ended up with a really expensive set of tires.

Hopefully others will chime in here and help out.

Norm
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Bobbo
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Last week I replaced all of the tires on my MH. The factory tires were Michelins. The tire place manager asked if I wanted to go back with Michelins. I said I liked Michelins, unless he knew of a better tire. He said there is no better tire, so we went back to Michelins.

The total was $2044 for 7 LT225/75R16 LTX M/S2 tires. (I replaced the spare too.) That is $292 per tire, mounted and balanced. However, I kept the 7 old tires so there was no disposal fee. (I have a farmer friend who wanted them.)
Bobbo and Lin
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Born_To_Travel
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I have 16 inch Cooper tires on the front of my 94 Georgie Boy and made a 5,500 mile trip on them last month... Rode great and no problems. Will be replacing them with the same when the time comes..

Jarlaxle
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I would probably go with the venerable all-steel Goodyear Workhorse.

Honestly...for that size, I would give the Nankang Geo-Trac a serious look. I have also seen many trucks lately that are running (I am NOT making this up!) Unicorn Creation LT tires.
John and Elizabeth (Liz), with Briza the size XL tabby
St. Bernard Marm, cats Vierna and Maya...RIP. 😞
Current rig:
1992 International Genesis school bus conversion

moon_lake
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Thanks for the info,,, yes I went to the michelin website and for our rv it said the xps rib series, which are about $325. Per tire, just seems high for a 16" tire. Still shopping around. What do you think about commercial tires? Are they tougher, more for heavy duty trucks?
The data plate in our rig says we need LT235/85R16/E,, strange it requires LT (light truck).

F1bNorm
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A few weeks ago we had a set of Mich LTX MS2 put on to replace an aged out set of Mich LTX MS. The ride was so squirmy we had to have them replaced by the more expensive Mich EPS Rib. We tried different PSI, had the MH weighed and contacted Mich. Explanation from Mich was the MS2 had a softer sidewall for better ride. Well, too soft for my 24' Winn Aspect.

Not saying they won't work for you. Just a heads up!

NormF
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