Saltless water softener

[Cbones]

I am just curious if anyone on this forum Is familiar with this Saltless water softener and if they have any comments good or bad. It looks pretty unique and if it works, it would be perfect for an RV.

[crawford]

Well it may not be in your terms, but if you get more suds,clean sinks,pipes stay clean,water heater heaters and dishwashers. That last a long time but it works with no maintenance and runs on pennies at day something like 20 dollars a year. Who cares it works, no matter what you call it. I believe in it so much I even got the same version made foe RV's.

[Cbones]

ncrowley wrote:
Cbones, yes, the water conditioner 5reduces the scale on the dishes. I do not use a dishwasher but I use a dish rack. The water conditioner has significantly reduced the spots and the scale that builds up on faucets and in sinks. The scale is not down to 0, but it is a very significant decrease. My shower curtain liner used to have to be replaced quite often because of the scale built up. I was replacing it at least every few months. Now I replace it every few years. I am very pleased with it.

Ncrowley,
Thanks for the info. I am more interested in reducing the scale and harmful effects of hard water, than in actually creating soft water. I think I will give the unit a try and see ifit suits my needs. I really like not dealing with a huge softening unit and dealing with the salt. The unit in question isn't something that takes up too much space, and it seems to take very little maintenance.

[ncrowley]

Cbones, yes, the water conditioner 5reduces the scale on the dishes. I do not use a dishwasher but I use a dish rack. The water conditioner has significantly reduced the spots and the scale that builds up on faucets and in sinks. The scale is not down to 0, but it is a very significant decrease. My shower curtain liner used to have to be replaced quite often because of the scale built up. I was replacing it at least every few months. Now I replace it every few years. I am very pleased with it.

[Chris_F]

First, the device is not a water softener, which reduces the levels of hardness ions (both calcium and magnesium) in water.

Stripped of most of the jargon, the claim is that the device causes formation of small particles of aragonite, a calcium carbonate mineral with a different form than the more-common mineral, calcite. In the aragonite form, the particles supposedly don't stick to plumbing materials and thus do not form scale deposits. Magnesium carbonate is much more soluble than calcium carbonate, so little if any magnesium ions form crystals like calcium ions do. Therefore, it would be more appropriate to call this and similar devices "scale reduction" systems rather than water softeners.

There is some evidence that some of these devices do reduce scale formation. I am aware of a study that measured the rate of scale formation on electric water heater elements. Many devices did not work at all, but one reduced scale formation by about 25% (the OP's device was not part of this study).

The main issue is that there is no agreed-upon independent testing procedure to prove scientifically that these devices perform as claimed. When there is, major manufacturers (like GE) will become involved, since chemical-free water treatment is the holy grail for them.

[crawford]

I use water king usa and it does what I want no white stuff in sink,dishwasher and lasted a long time before it,before that 2 years the first dishwasher 2 years tops now on 5 years and still going strong. Soap suds great it's electric as far as I'm it better then dragging in bags of salt. I would say it's is 75% effective and that's ok with me.

[crawford]

I use water king usa and it does what I want no white stuff in sink,dishwasher and lasted a long time before it,before that 2 years the first dishwasher 2 years tops now on 5 years and still going strong. Soap suds great it's electric as far as I'm it better then dragging in bags of salt. I would say it's is 75% effective and that's ok with me.

[Boblou]

I purchased a NUVO system for my house and it works fine. Water is soft and smooth and tastes great. However, i do use a ZERO water picture for my drinking water as a precaution

[Boblou]

I purchased a NUVO system for my house and it works fine. Water is soft and smooth and tastes great. However, i do use a ZERO water picture for my drinking water as a precaution

[Cbones]

ncrowley wrote:
Looking at the page, it looks like the same technology that I am using at my house. I have a whole house tank. How they work is to change the chemical properties of the minerals so they do not stick to pipes and sinks. I have very hard water where I live and I did not want to install a water softener because of the waste water and sodium in the water. This unit is doing a great job. The water does not taste any different but there has been a huge difference in the scale in the sinks and on everything. For you naysayers, this really does work.

I purchased the water softener for the coach and this is much more expensive so I will stick with the water softener for the coach.

I am just curious if you have checked the TDS at your house? I am assuming that there would be no change, but in any event as long as you notice that there is no scale deposits, that is all I would be looking for. When I am in hard water areas, I notice the hard water mostly on glasses in the dishwasher. Does it seem to prevent the deposits on your glasses and dishes?

[Bumpyroad]

Canadian Rainbirds wrote:

blangen wrote:
Here's a direct link to their explanation of how it works.

Lots of words that don't say much. I always get suspicious when there are lots of big words strung together yet there are also errors in the proper use of even the simpler words.

No, I haven't used this device. Just offering an opinion.

I particularly like this paragraph:

The method for inhibiting scale forma
tion on the walls of a pipe through
which a fluid is passed which consist
of exposing the fluid and there in
dissolved constituents- referred to th
e fluid-to an electric field which is
sufficient to cause modification of th
e nucleation patterns of the fluid,
thereby causing an inhibition of tho
se essential nucleation, steps which
precede and govern the formation of
the scale, by providing means for an
increase of the surface area which is
in contact with the fluid which
induces the generation of the electric
field to which the fluid are exposed
before passing through a conduit.

that has got to work. modifies the nucleation patterns.
bumpy

[Canadian_Rainbi]

blangen wrote:
Here's a direct link to their explanation of how it works.

Lots of words that don't say much. I always get suspicious when there are lots of big words strung together yet there are also errors in the proper use of even the simpler words.

No, I haven't used this device. Just offering an opinion.

I particularly like this paragraph:

The method for inhibiting scale forma
tion on the walls of a pipe through
which a fluid is passed which consist
of exposing the fluid and there in
dissolved constituents- referred to th
e fluid-to an electric field which is
sufficient to cause modification of th
e nucleation patterns of the fluid,
thereby causing an inhibition of tho
se essential nucleation, steps which
precede and govern the formation of
the scale, by providing means for an
increase of the surface area which is
in contact with the fluid which
induces the generation of the electric
field to which the fluid are exposed
before passing through a conduit.

[ncrowley]

Looking at the page, it looks like the same technology that I am using at my house. I have a whole house tank. How they work is to change the chemical properties of the minerals so they do not stick to pipes and sinks. I have very hard water where I live and I did not want to install a water softener because of the waste water and sodium in the water. This unit is doing a great job. The water does not taste any different but there has been a huge difference in the scale in the sinks and on everything. For you naysayers, this really does work.

I purchased the water softener for the coach and this is much more expensive so I will stick with the water softener for the coach.

[Captain_Obvious]

If it didn't cost so much, it might be worth investigating. But as most people have mentioned, if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

If you have a minute, I recommend checking out the Wikipedia article on water softening. It explains how it works and the various methods of water softening.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_softener

[havasu]

It is