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Nov-29-2016 05:32 AM
westom wrote:Not that obvious, clearly. Helps if you call it what it is instead of assuming anyone knows what you are trying to say. I don't think I have ever plugged into a "pole" in 40 years of RVing. Must be one of those "anomolies" you keep referring to.Mile High wrote:Pole (or pedestal) obviously is what an RV connects to.
by the way, what the heck is the "pole"? The pedestal?
Nov-29-2016 02:24 AM
Nov-28-2016 08:41 PM
Mile High wrote:Pole (or pedestal) obviously is what an RV connects to.
by the way, what the heck is the "pole"? The pedestal?
Nov-28-2016 08:36 PM
Nov-28-2016 08:30 PM
Jim Norman wrote:Nonsense. As explained, if a protector connects low impedance to a pole, then hundreds of thousands of joules dissipate harmlessly in earth. Then effective protection from direct lightning strikes exists.
I understand that a direct hit by a bolt of lightning is probably not going to be within the protective spec of any surge protector available for an RV.
Nov-28-2016 06:45 PM
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Nov-28-2016 06:28 AM
westom wrote:Wow - I tried man. It sounded in the beginning as if you had some background and could contribute some value to the OPs question, or even mine, but you answer with 16 more questions. I was just looking for what your recommendation was but it's not worth the trauma.Mile High wrote:
Are you saying that NONE of these devices we are discussing are any more effective than a home strip surge suppressor because we don't have an effective ground within 10'?
Stop jumping to subjective conclusions. Deal with individual facts one at a time. If making conclusions from subjective beliefs and emotions, then every reply will make you feel like a child.
Stated were numbers for that one protector. Understand the significance of those numbers before making any conclusion. Why assume numbers for one anomaly define all protectors for all anomalies? Why jump to that unjustified conclusion? Therein lies your first problem. You want to be indignant rather than first learn what stuff does for each anomaly - with numbers.
Defined is why that one protector function is ineffective. Nobody said anything about earthing a rig. By remembering what Ben Franklin demonstrated over 250 years ago, or by remembering how electricity works, then earthing a rig would make damage easier.
Did I ignore other benefits such as detecting polarity, missing neutral, etc? Obviously not. Why did you ignore those first two paragraphs? Each completely different anomaly must be discussed separately.
Thumbs up or down are for consumers who want to be told how to think (also called brainwashing). Informed consumers learn how to separate scams from science. That means every reply and question should include or be based in perspective. That means numbers. Your every speculation is devoid of spec numbers. You want to assume all anomalies are same.
What do 2600 joules in that Surge Guard do? Nothing useful. Do those joules protect from other anomalies? No.
Does a Surge Guard protect from reverse polarity? Protect what? Reverse polarity does not harm appliances. Polarity is a human safety function. So what is being protected?
Does it protect from phase variation, frequency variation, excessive harmonics, or EMC/EMI? Apparently not. Is that protection required? Your answer should include numbers. Since each potential threat must be defined BEFORE recommending any solution. And each discussed separately.
Does it protect from an open safety ground? Apparently not even though that is a too common anomaly in campgrounds. It really should detect that anomaly.
Does it protect from brownouts? Say so with numbers. Is that protection necessary? If making conclusions from subjective reasoning, then tell us why. Remember to list what in an RV does and does not need for protection.
Of course 2600 joules says nothing about these other anomalies. What numbers exist so that one can make a conclusion?
Long before demanding a solution or being indignant, first define each threat. Which anomalies require effective protection? Tell us which anomalies are of concern in a campground - with numbers. Only then can a solution be discussed.
Jim Norman wrote:
I have a Plug-In Surge Protector.
My new Coach has a built in Surge Protector.
So Can I use both?
Does it make a better protective system?
Will it even work?
Are there any issues?
Can this cause a problem?
Thanks
Nov-27-2016 07:32 PM
Mile High wrote:
Are you saying that NONE of these devices we are discussing are any more effective than a home strip surge suppressor because we don't have an effective ground within 10'?
Nov-27-2016 08:58 AM
westom wrote:No need to get condescending - you're already talking down to me, but you haven't "dummied" it up near enough yet. Perhaps I need to just try to pull it out of you:Mile High wrote:Surge Guard will 'absorb' 870 joules and not more than 1750 joules. If difficult, best is to ask why rather than post an emotion.
I for one don't understand a **** thing you are saying or recommending.
Potentially destructive surges can be hundreds of thousands of joules. Why is that difficult?
That Surge Guard is electrically similar to other tiny power strip protectors. Specification numbers say so. Why is that hard?
Effective protector (a completely different device that unfortunately shares a same name) works because it is earthed. That should be obvious using concepts originally taught in elementary school science.
So which sentence is a challenge? You never said.
Nov-26-2016 06:36 PM
Jim Norman wrote:First, let's define a word 'surge'. It is subjective. So a low voltage is a surge. Frequency variation is a surge. Reverse polarity is a surge. Too much current and resulting low voltage from a USB port is a surge.
OK, So am I to understand that the two SurgeGuard brand units I have, the built in unit as well as the plug in unit are essentially useless as surge protectors?
Nov-26-2016 05:42 PM
westom wrote:Mile High wrote:Surge Guard will 'absorb' 870 joules and not more than 1750 joules. If difficult, best is to ask why rather than post an emotion.
I for one don't understand a **** thing you are saying or recommending.
Potentially destructive surges can be hundreds of thousands of joules. Why is that difficult?
That Surge Guard is electrically similar to other tiny power strip protectors. Specification numbers say so. Why is that hard?
Effective protector (a completely different device that unfortunately shares a same name) works because it is earthed. That should be obvious using concepts originally taught in elementary school science.
So which sentence is a challenge? You never said.