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We Survived a Fatal Accident...

CoachPotato
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During the late morning of the 3rd of this month, a Tuesday, dear Wifey and I were eastbound aboard our Winnebago Journey 32T, a diesel pusher. We were on US50, just west of the small town of Kinsley, Kansas, en route to Graceland. I have shared my wife with the ghost of Elvis Presley all these years, and she was finally going to see "his place" for the first time!

We had been following two grain semis that pulled into a right turn only lane to turn onto US56. That intersection had a stop sign for the traffic on US56 to yield to the traffic on US50. Apparently sitting at the stop sign for US56, but we couldn't see him due to the semis, was a small Ford Transit utility van. I don't believe he saw us either. He must have thought that when the two semis pulled into the right turn only lane that the highway was clear. It was not; we entered the intersection at about 50 MPH as he proceeded to cross our path to turn left onto US50.

I had only a split second to react as we T-boned the small van right at the driver's door. He made a hopeless, slight turn to the right just before impact, so he must have known he made a terrible mistake.

I remember the van being pushed east by us as we drifted across the westbound lane, then the van went off to our left as we came to a stop on the shoulder of the westbound lane, facing east. Wifey and I had our seatbelts on and were spared injury.

A burly truck driver saw me waving frantically at our door window because our door was jammed and we couldn't get out. He forced it open, but the sliding platform that opens to access the stairs was also jammed and the metal step did not deploy. We had a three to four foot drop down to the pavement and he gently helped us down - then he was gone, saying he had to get back to his truck. We consider him our hero!

Tragically, the driver of the van died at the scene. We were escorted to a waiting ambulance and seated on a couple of small seats as they checked us old folks out. We were Ok and finally convinced them that we were. I'm a long time heart patient and had to take a nitro for some angina that began, and that stopped the pain.

Our kids from near Denver immediately hopped into their car and headed for Dodge City, Kansas where we had spent the prior night at Walmart, about 30 or so miles from the accident scene. We had spent the prior weekend visiting them at their home. After our taxi ride back to Dodge, we all spent that night at a motel in Dodge City.

The next day, with much help from the kids, we rented a small U-Haul truck and loaded everything from the coach to the truck. Wifey went home with the kids and they put her on a flight home the next day. I drove the U-haul for the next three days to get all our stuff back home.

Just short of three weeks after the crash, our insurance company, Progressive, paid us the agreed value of our coach. They will subrogate the claim to the other driver's insurance as there is no question about fault; it was entirely the fault of the driver of the van.

We have worked diligently putting our claim together to present to the other insurance company. We had so much enjoyment with our coach and now it sits in some Kansas yard, destined to be sold and salvaged.

Meanwhile, the driver of the van left a wife and two young sons. Those poor kids will grow up without their dad, and their mom will never see her husband again. That is the saddest part of this whole story and helps us keep some perspective of our relatively minor losses.

We have several thousands of dollars to recover from the insurance company and at this point are somewhat optimistic that they will cover all our costs. Time will tell, I suppose.

It seems impossible to find another coach like ours so we'll likely end up with another, hopefully nearby but perhaps clear across the country.

I choose to drive the US highways instead of the interstates at every opportunity because we like driving through the small towns and seeing the rural countryside. Now... I often think about how that accident would not have happened had we been on an interstate. But like so many quandaries this experience has created, it's just idle reliving of an event that cannot be changed and it's tough realizing that.

Photos and even more detail are on a page of my website here. To get to the story of the accident, scroll down to "Day 9".

And thanks; writing this account of our situation has been somewhat therapeutic...
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Rice
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CoachPotato wrote:
I choose to drive the US highways instead of the interstates at every opportunity because we like driving through the small towns and seeing the rural countryside. Now... I often think about how that accident would not have happened had we been on an interstate.


I know a lot of people prefer smaller highways to interstates, but they make me incredibly nervous. In this case, you were in no way at fault, but I hate coming up on an intersection, wondering whether the light will change and if I'll be able to stop. And if I can't, then it will be my fault.

And I watch them like a hawk, and know about stale greens, and am a super-aware driver. But these are invariably lights I'm not familiar with, so I don't know how they usually act. And my inclination is to lift off the gas and be ready to brake, but will that actually delay my arrival to an intersection that I would have easily gone through on green if I hadn't lifted?

I just spent some time in British Columbia, and they have those "prepare to stop" lights everywhere. They make all the difference in the world, and I had no qualms about driving with those. But once I crossed the border, I was back to having to predict what I thought an upcoming stoplight might do. I hate it.

CoachPotato wrote:
One mystery was that a container of sugar that was in the cabinet wound up in the fridge!


Wow. I've heard some crazy stuff in my day, but that may take the cake.

mike_brez
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wa8yxm
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I wish I could help with your search for a new short diesel (Used to be parked abou 600 yards from one that was for sale but. alas It's gone)

But like the ones you are finding.. I'm no the other side of the country (TN as I type. SC tomorrow).

Good luck in your search.

And as I said before... Even though you know, 100% sure you were not responsible.. As I know there was nothing I could have done to prevent my wife's accident... Does not change anything. Still keep thinking "What could I have done differently"

(WHen my wife crashed it was very very clearly driver error. No flat tires, No evidence of mechanical failure. NO evidence of any vehicle issue, She just lost it. .Drifted off the road and over compensated ziz zaged a couple of times and WHAM that's all folks I was there (After the fact) I have had a bit of training, the skid marks and the witnesses (2 car loads) all told the same story, (The one above) so I know 100% it was not my fault.. Still.....
Home was where I park it. but alas the.
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smlranger
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So glad you and your DW survived this tragic event with no injuries. Sad about the driver of the van.

We owned a 2002 Journey 36' and I wondered how well it might hold up in any forward collision. It seems that in spite of significant damage to the coach, it did protect you and your wife.

The 32' Journey was somewhat rare. If you can see yourself in a 34', I believe you may find more of them. Country Coach made some shorter coaches that are sought after. If you can find one of those in great condition, it will make a fine ride.

Good luck in your search and wishing you many happy and safe miles.
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RideSlow
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Thanks for sharing a rough tale. Glad you all are ok. Good friends and family can help over the tough spots, don't let the 'what if's ' get you down.
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empty_nest
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Such a sad and tragic story!! Along with that, looking at your photo of you hugging Cecil the Diesel and saying good-bye got me all teary-eyed. Amazing how these machines become so much of who we are.

Best of luck and here's to hope that you get back on the road again, soon.
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CoachPotato
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Thank you all for your kind words. In response to questions that were asked...

The coach was indeed totaled. The damage was massive; even the dashboard was bent up from the impact. As the photo on my site shows, even the generator was torn loose and sitting crooked.

After the impact, we were amazed at the mess in the coach. I think most of the stuff we had stored in the cabinets, etc. was on the floor. One mystery was that a container of sugar that was in the cabinet wound up in the fridge!

While the Class As seem pretty flimsy up front with all that plastic and glass, that heavy Freightliner frame helped keep us from injury and must have absorbed most of the impact.

We are coping well; we are well aware that we did not contribute to this accident and it was entirely blamed on the other driver who made that one fatal error. I thought Wifey might be afraid of the RV and the travel, but no, she said instead that she wishes she could even travel locally in a big coach. She now feels safer in one than she ever did!

I am spending my days looking for a new-to-us coach. So far the ones that interest me seem to be clear across the country. Short diesels are pretty rare. I hope one turns up soon as I want to be traveling again for Thanksgiving!

Thanks again for the many kind thoughts and good wishes.

tinkerer
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Has to be traumatic for all parties involved, especially for the driver and the family of the van. Just another reminder that a couple seconds worth of of carelessness can turn people's lives upside down.:(

Groover
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It is sad for all, I am sure that it will leave you greiving as well as the family of the casualty even though it is not your fault. We all need to remember that just because you can't see anything coming does not mean that the road is clear. You must see clear road before pulling out in such circumstances. Living a few yards from a similar intersection I see wrecks like that on a regular basis and there is generally very little that the driver on the highway could have done to avoid it.

My newest vehicle is equipped with adaptive cruise control and had you been in it with the system engaged it would have applied the brakes much faster than you possibly could, possibly improving the outcome. It is not a flawless system but I am optimistic that technology will improve the driving experience for all of us. With the roads getting more crowded every day I certainly hope so.

gclewis
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Sad to hear about the driver

Tinstar
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I'm sorry you're having to go through that. Devastating to the man and his family. I'm surprised your coach is not damaged more than it looks. At least the pictures doesn't show much but I'm sure there are lots of things that don't show up in the pic. Is insurance going to total it?
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Mr_Mark1
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To OP: Very sorry that this happened to you and your wife.

Friends of ours just had something similar happen. A girl in a late model Toyota Prius made a u-turn in front of their bus. There was no way to stop. The impact on the bus was on the front passenger bumper that also damaged the entrance door. They exited out the emergency window.

Their bus was totaled too as it was a 1994 but in excellent condition. Once the exterior estimate started to reach $90K, they stopped and the insurance company paid it off the agreed value. They were able to drive the bus home.

The impact on the Prius was just at the A-Pillar just missing the driver's door although damaged. Lucky girl, a direct impact would have killed her.

Like an above poster mentioned, life is short and can end at a blink of an eye.

I watch crash video's every now and then and it seems most are caused by people making left turns. Also, if you are on a multi-lane road and cars stop but your lane is open, be careful of a car making a left turn and not seeing you zooming down your lane.

I saw that happen where a SUV was broadsided by a pick-up truck that was next to me. The rear of the truck came off of the ground. Scary.

Safe travels,
MM.
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billyboy
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After reading your note, it made me think of our total loss 2 weeks ago, and dealing with progressive. Although we didn't hit another vehicle, we ran into a 7 foot pile of dirt along the side of the road, and the front of the unit looked like yours. Our unit was my baby, and after reading your story, it made me tear up. I didn't hug and kiss our unit, but I almost did.
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mtofell1
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Tough stuff... thanks for sharing and hang in there. The incident will undoubtedly be with you forever and that's okay. Don't expect it to go away. Regardless of any religious beliefs we can all agree life is completely unpredictable and can change in an instant.