โOct-12-2014 01:23 PM
โOct-12-2014 09:56 PM
Fiverwheel wrote:
Reading that sign I wouldn't hesitate to fill my water tank with a water thief. What I think they have in mind is staying connected to the spigot.
โOct-12-2014 09:01 PM
โOct-12-2014 08:27 PM
dewey02 wrote:Lantley wrote:
I don't doubt what your saying. But why is there no sign restricting/limiting the quantity of water be consumed? I could easily fill my 80 gallon tank using buckets if I had to.
I don't need to connect a hose to use lots of water.
Because most people won't do what you do, and campgrounds are designed and operated on the basis of what most people will do in a certain situation.
One thing we tried to avoid are negative signs that say "Welcome to your National Forests" followed by a long list of rules that say don't do this, don't do that, don't don't do that, etc. It isn't very inviting or friendly. Much better to design things that naturally direct the type of behavior that is expected. Not always successful at that, and for example, the occasional person filling a 100 gallon RV tank won't kill the system, but lots of people doing it lots of times just might.
You might be surprised at the number of things designed into campgrounds to influence behavior without posting signs everywhere.
โOct-12-2014 08:12 PM
Another reason NOT to use the "Water Thief"
โOct-12-2014 08:07 PM
jacksonr wrote:
Question for the Desert Captain since I also camp often at Windy Hill (in fact, going Wed). How do you plan on getting your water there? Hauling it from Tucson (like I would have to), waiting to begin your trip until Sat or Sun when the fill station in Cholla might be open, or an alternate suggestion? If the fill station is like the dump station at Cholla it is a bit hit and miss if forest service sticks to schedule.
โOct-12-2014 07:11 PM
DutchmenSport wrote:
... But ... I made one of my own by taking a garden hose and cutting off the end. The hose end is large enough to fit over most unthreaded spigots...
โOct-12-2014 07:05 PM
โOct-12-2014 07:01 PM
The rules have gotten ridiculous and everyone is just paralyzed by all of the environmental rulings. Typical environmental study.....one person gets sick from a possible backflow contamination, so they make the entire US put on back flow eliminators......This country has lost the ability to apply common sense.
We must be willing to get rid of the life we've planned,
so as to have the life that is waiting for us.
โOct-12-2014 06:02 PM
Lantley wrote:
I don't doubt what your saying. But why is there no sign restricting/limiting the quantity of water be consumed? I could easily fill my 80 gallon tank using buckets if I had to.
I don't need to connect a hose to use lots of water.
โOct-12-2014 05:44 PM
NJRVer wrote:dewey02 wrote:D & M wrote:
"Another reason"? I didn't know there was any reason. Please enlighten us.
As a retired USFS program manager for 30+ campgrounds, I can say that a primary reason is because the well and pump system (in our case, it was solar driven pumps) have a low capacity, and the storage tank at each well house was 100-200 gallons. A good sized rig could empty that out in a flash, and it would take most of the day to refill with the slow capacity solar pumps. This would mean that those who came after you would have limited amounts, or no water for a considerable time.
Thanks for that inside info.
โOct-12-2014 05:44 PM
Lantley wrote:TechWriter wrote:Desert Captain wrote:
IMHO: The water thief is nothing more than a sleazy way to get around the rules(that just apply to other people).
I'm not sure why this is such a cause celebre with you, but I typically use my water thief when someone has busted off the head from a fresh water fill line. (A water source intended to fill RV water tanks.)
However, when I fill my 100 gal RV water tank, if it's a choice between lifting 20, 5 gal buckets or temporarily connecting a water thief from a non-threaded connection -- I'm using my water thief.
I agree if there is a prohibition against using/filling too much water the sign needs to state it. I could fill my tank from buckets or I could use the water thief.
If water thieves are prohibited than one can just fill via buckets. However that doesn't resolve the consumption issue,if that is truly the problem.
โOct-12-2014 05:38 PM
dewey02 wrote:D & M wrote:
"Another reason"? I didn't know there was any reason. Please enlighten us.
As a retired USFS program manager for 30+ campgrounds, I can say that a primary reason is because the well and pump system (in our case, it was solar driven pumps) have a low capacity, and the storage tank at each well house was 100-200 gallons. A good sized rig could empty that out in a flash, and it would take most of the day to refill with the slow capacity solar pumps. This would mean that those who came after you would have limited amounts, or no water for a considerable time.
โOct-12-2014 05:29 PM
โOct-12-2014 05:21 PM
TechWriter wrote:Desert Captain wrote:
IMHO: The water thief is nothing more than a sleazy way to get around the rules(that just apply to other people).
I'm not sure why this is such a cause celebre with you, but I typically use my water thief when someone has busted off the head from a fresh water fill line. (A water source intended to fill RV water tanks.)
However, when I fill my 100 gal RV water tank, if it's a choice between lifting 20, 5 gal buckets or temporarily connecting a water thief from a non-threaded connection -- I'm using my water thief.
โOct-12-2014 05:20 PM