HOA says NO to temp RV for Dr.

[ExxWhy]

Here's some HOA insanity to go along with virus insanity. The universal irrational safety excuse, "our community was not designed in a way that makes it safe for RVs to be parked outside the townhomes."

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[Lantley]

solman wrote:
I understand the unique and special circumstances of the request. A camper in use in a driveway is beyond temporary storage. However once the HOA begins to make exceptions it's a slippery slope and others will follow. What do you do when the the water leaks /tank smells and other problems arise?

A pandemic is beyond an exception. There are so many exceptions caused by the Pandemic that allowing a Dr. to stay in their RV for safety reasons is trivial by comparison to all the other exceptions going on.
As far as leaks, if something leaks you fix it and clean it up no different than if something leaks from one of the houses.
Fear of a leak is not a viable reason for denial. Since the RV is not connected to hook ups there are less likely to be sewage leaks.

[solman]

I understand the unique and special circumstances of the request. A camper in use in a driveway is beyond temporary storage. However once the HOA begins to make exceptions it's a slippery slope and others will follow. What do you do when the the water leaks /tank smells and other problems arise?

[Bumpyroad]

from reports that I have heard in the past, fines/etc. would be the least of his problems.
bumpy

[jfkmk]

A1ARealtorRick wrote:

Check the article about the guy in Naples FL that painted his $500K house recently. Sorry, not sure how to post a link. Google it.

Yeah, I had heard about this guy. If you’re going to use this as an argument for an HOA, it is a very poor argument.

This guy is clearly deranged or on some kind of drugs. What is an HOA going to do, fine him? Deranged people can and do live in HOAs (from what I’ve read, a lot of them are on the HOA boards - haha just kidding), and I doubt someone who would do this would not care about your rules or fines.

[travelnutz]

Super Dave,

Very sick minded HOA idiot yoyo's!

[Super_Dave]

One of my buddies lived in a gated HOA community and he was fined when I went to his house with my boat to pick him up for a fishing trip.

[travelnutz]

Our surrounding neighborhood of at least a 1,000+ radius and the city also and the surrounding city's etc even 10 miles away do not have rundown or junky homes or properties or old abandoned vehicles in them. Local direct area's population is 72,000 so it's not that small. It's an upbeat area and always has been for the last 78+ years we have lived in the local area. Extremely popular vacation area with many millions of visitors each year and so many even move here too as having vacationed here and know. So, there must be a very desireable reason??? People take pride in their properties around here. HOA's are very few and so far between around here and certainly not needed at all.

Many, in the thousands plus have owned RV's and boats mostly kept behind the front facia of the home which is a new township, city, and most of the county rule put into effect about 15 years ago. However, if an RV or boat was owned before the new rule went into effect and had been parked in front of the front facia of the home, they were grandfathered in and that had been decided and ruled by the local courts. YES, even in the established HOA areas as any rule put into effect cannot infringe on previously owned and occupied before the new rules properties. Property owners have rights too and the courts ruled that those rights when purchased cannot be infringed upon.

Our main home property size is 90 X 233 and is grandfathered in also and we park our truck with the big TC on right in our main driveway all spring, summer, and fall, legally! Always have had one parked there and can also park our 5th wheel legally on the northside . Many others do also! Even though we have a northside 12' wide driveway going back thru the chain link fence gate all the way back to our 5th wheel storage area and the 1200 sq ft toy barn which is finished off the match the home. We are in the township and just 300 feet from the city limits in a very fine built up area having 156 homes and a few were built back in the 1930's etc but sure well maintained. BTW, home our area only has one road into it and the same road back out!

Boating and RV'ing/camping is a way of life here as all waters are navigable and connected to Lake Michigan and there's 13 RV campgrounds right here in our local area.

NO ONE is going to tell me or us want we can or cannot do on our own owned property as long as it's within the state, county, township, or city legal laws when such property was purchased.

Our observation over the years is that HOA areas look cold, stuffy, and far from vibrant places to live and call "home". Like a form of a prison without being surrounded by bars but sure has the gestapo control feel and actions on steroids! NO THANKS!!!

BTW, the Dr's temporary RV would be very welcome here in our area. WE are not snobbish and are very helpful.

Even have had many times family and friends visiting from around the country staying on our northside driveway in their RV's for up to 2 weeks legally and the neighbors have never complained once nor has the law enforcers either or the township which has a little over 20,000 population presently!

[Lantley]

spoon059 wrote:
Townhouse... I have yet to see a townhouse community with sufficient room for a RV to safely park. Most of them have one or 2 regular sized parking spots for cars. Without seeing that your particular community has a different setup that would allow for safe movement of cars and firetrucks, I'd have to agree with them.

There are plenty of town house communities with driveways.
I agree there needs to be a viable place to park.
But that is true with any community . Just the fact that it is a townhouse does not mean there is no space to accommodate an RV.

[spoon059]

Townhouse... I have yet to see a townhouse community with sufficient room for a RV to safely park. Most of them have one or 2 regular sized parking spots for cars. Without seeing that your particular community has a different setup that would allow for safe movement of cars and firetrucks, I'd have to agree with them.

[valhalla360]

Cummins12V98 wrote:

If "I" were to loan my RV to someone I certainly give the person a VERY detailed list and also talk on the phone to that person about the details, NOT all that hard!

The "quote" is from someone on this thread I don't remember who.

So unless it was your RV they guy was borrowing...there is zero evidence he had any clue how to conserve water or deal with the waste.

[Bumpyroad]

jfkmk wrote:

So everyone is welcome to your melting pot so long as their house looks like yours?? Also, just who do you think is going to paint their house pink and park 6 cars in the yard? It doesn’t happen here, and I doubt when folks move south they get a hankering for weird paint schemes and junk cars.

well in close proximity to my house there are not that many abandoned/junk cars in the yards. however, abandoned, junk mobile homes is another story. 😞
bumpy

[RetiredRealtorR]

jfkmk wrote:

A1ARealtorRick wrote:

jfkmk wrote:

A1ARealtorRick wrote:

jfkmk wrote:

A1ARealtorRick wrote:
However, in a development as such, I would almost always view the HOA as a definite plus. When it comes time for me to sell, I don't want the 6 cars in my neighbors front yard, the 12" tall grass, the refrigerator on the front porch, or his dilapidated storage shed to have a bearing on the value of my home.

Unfortunately an HOA doesn’t guarantee any of this. I live in a development with no HOA. There is absolutely nothing like what you described around here.

My brother lived in an area very similar to mine, but with an HOA. He had to get permission to plant rose bushes and paint his front door. When he had to replace his roof, it had to be one of two shingles.

Yet his neighbor had the fridge on her back deck and was accumulating garbage on the deck. He complained, but the HOA said they couldn’t do anything about it.

I am one of the HOA haters.

It's nice that your neighborhood has no issues, and obviously doesn't need an HOA. But, speaking as a Realtor, yours is the exception rather than the rule. If I bought the house across the street from you, painted it pink, re-roofed it with bright green shingles, and parked all 6 of my cars on the front lawn, there's nothing anyone can do about it, as long as I'm not violating county ordinances.

I agree that HOA's don't "guarantee" anything, but properly run organizations not afraid to show their teeth when necessary come as close to guaranteeing this as is humanly possible.

Again, to each his own. I just know what my past experience as a Realtor has made evident to me. Have a great day!

Your description of why an HOA is needed made me chuckle, as it is almost identical to that a friend of mine made when he moved here from Baton Rouge and actually sought out an HOA. Seriously, maybe it is the part of the country that makes a difference. I’ve lived in 4 different neighborhoods in 4 parts of the state before my current neighborhood. I’ve never had an HOA and never had the circumstances you describe.

You're absolutely right. Never confuse New Jersey with the gulf coast of Florida and Alabama. This is where everyone from New Jersey, New York, Michigan, and Indiana come when they get sick of living up north. 🙂 I guess we need more HOA's here because we are indeed a big melting pot, and everyone who relocates here brings their own ideas along with them, and, naturally, they don't all coincide. So you're right, it does definitely depend on the part of the country.

So everyone is welcome to your melting pot so long as their house looks like yours?? Also, just who do you think is going to paint their house pink and park 6 cars in the yard? It doesn’t happen here, and I doubt when folks move south they get a hankering for weird paint schemes and junk cars.

Check the article about the guy in Naples FL that painted his $500K house recently. Sorry, not sure how to post a link. Google it.

[jfkmk]

A1ARealtorRick wrote:

jfkmk wrote:

A1ARealtorRick wrote:

jfkmk wrote:

A1ARealtorRick wrote:
However, in a development as such, I would almost always view the HOA as a definite plus. When it comes time for me to sell, I don't want the 6 cars in my neighbors front yard, the 12" tall grass, the refrigerator on the front porch, or his dilapidated storage shed to have a bearing on the value of my home.

Unfortunately an HOA doesn’t guarantee any of this. I live in a development with no HOA. There is absolutely nothing like what you described around here.

My brother lived in an area very similar to mine, but with an HOA. He had to get permission to plant rose bushes and paint his front door. When he had to replace his roof, it had to be one of two shingles.

Yet his neighbor had the fridge on her back deck and was accumulating garbage on the deck. He complained, but the HOA said they couldn’t do anything about it.

I am one of the HOA haters.

It's nice that your neighborhood has no issues, and obviously doesn't need an HOA. But, speaking as a Realtor, yours is the exception rather than the rule. If I bought the house across the street from you, painted it pink, re-roofed it with bright green shingles, and parked all 6 of my cars on the front lawn, there's nothing anyone can do about it, as long as I'm not violating county ordinances.

I agree that HOA's don't "guarantee" anything, but properly run organizations not afraid to show their teeth when necessary come as close to guaranteeing this as is humanly possible.

Again, to each his own. I just know what my past experience as a Realtor has made evident to me. Have a great day!

Your description of why an HOA is needed made me chuckle, as it is almost identical to that a friend of mine made when he moved here from Baton Rouge and actually sought out an HOA. Seriously, maybe it is the part of the country that makes a difference. I’ve lived in 4 different neighborhoods in 4 parts of the state before my current neighborhood. I’ve never had an HOA and never had the circumstances you describe.

You're absolutely right. Never confuse New Jersey with the gulf coast of Florida and Alabama. This is where everyone from New Jersey, New York, Michigan, and Indiana come when they get sick of living up north. 🙂 I guess we need more HOA's here because we are indeed a big melting pot, and everyone who relocates here brings their own ideas along with them, and, naturally, they don't all coincide. So you're right, it does definitely depend on the part of the country.

So everyone is welcome to your melting pot so long as their house looks like yours?? Also, just who do you think is going to paint their house pink and park 6 cars in the yard? It doesn’t happen here, and I doubt when folks move south they get a hankering for weird paint schemes and junk cars.

[Edd505]

HOA?? No dirt roads, no septic, pass, I'm the HOA what I want to do on my property is all good.

[Bumpyroad]

my HOA hired a lawyer a couple of years back on retainer, from his actions it appears to me that he is primarily representing the board of directors, etc., and not the individual property owners.
but what interested me was that when they were looking for a lawyer, they chose from among three of them whose sole practice was in HOA matters. seems to me that if lawyers can get rich only defending HOA actions/decisions/etc. there must be a lot of silly nonsense being pulled off by the HOA.
speaking of house colors, the HOA was going to include a statement requiring the approval of the next door neighbors of colors used. I sort of fussed saying that I don't think that I would like a day glow orange house on the entry road into the development. they widened the restrictions on colors.
bumpy