โMar-06-2016 11:49 AM
โMar-16-2016 04:43 PM
NC Hauler wrote:tinner12002 wrote:NC Hauler wrote:
..Been driving light duty trucks since 75'.. Never drove MDT or a HDT for a living, but have driven some and even came close to purchasing one some years back..Been in Manufacturing since 1975...and 2 years before that...68-71...You either read wrong or have me confused with someone else:h
I was arguing that you don't need a HDT now a days since from 13 and on up, 1 ton dually's can tow heavy also..up to their recommended towing weights.
Jim
I'm sure our 1 tons are cheaper to insure, plate, fuel, drive, park and repair if needed and I bet more fun to drive in addition to being plenty capable of towing nearly any 5th wheel RV out there!!
I personally agree with you on this, but they'll be HDH's/HDT's that will HGHLY disagree because they are behind the times and don't know or understand the capabilities of the new/newer 1 ton Dually's from 2013 and up..
I don't know how they figure "cheaper" for the HDT when MOST of them have purchased ANOTHER car to drive around instead of the semi...cost of the car/insurance/fuel and maintenance.. and then same for the HDT...If I were going to tow a 25-30# 5er, (though, supposedly, my truck could do that.)..I wouldn't buy the 5er... MOST people don't want a semi cab towing 5er's that only have a GVWR of 15K-25K( some HDT's on escapees forum SWEAR YOU HAVE TI HAVE A HDT to tow a 16K GVW 5er:h..
It's so much nicer with a truck you can drive everywhere you want to go, take it to work, haul stuff in the bed, drive it to church or go sight seeing in it and use it in 4 wheel drive and be safe about it when needed.
Some need to wake up and "smell the coffee":B
โMar-16-2016 10:41 AM
W5CI wrote:
I have a RAM 3500 DRW diesel and I think anyone who has one shouldn't worry about towing a fifth wheel try with it, there are so many variables that it would take a rocket scientist to figure the tow rating, IMHO
โMar-16-2016 10:14 AM
โMar-16-2016 09:58 AM
tinner12002 wrote:NC Hauler wrote:
..Been driving light duty trucks since 75'.. Never drove MDT or a HDT for a living, but have driven some and even came close to purchasing one some years back..Been in Manufacturing since 1975...and 2 years before that...68-71...You either read wrong or have me confused with someone else:h
I was arguing that you don't need a HDT now a days since from 13 and on up, 1 ton dually's can tow heavy also..up to their recommended towing weights.
Jim
I'm sure our 1 tons are cheaper to insure, plate, fuel, drive, park and repair if needed and I bet more fun to drive in addition to being plenty capable of towing nearly any 5th wheel RV out there!!
โMar-16-2016 03:23 AM
NC Hauler wrote:
..Been driving light duty trucks since 75'.. Never drove MDT or a HDT for a living, but have driven some and even came close to purchasing one some years back..Been in Manufacturing since 1975...and 2 years before that...68-71...You either read wrong or have me confused with someone else:h
I was arguing that you don't need a HDT now a days since from 13 and on up, 1 ton dually's can tow heavy also..up to their recommended towing weights.
Jim
โMar-15-2016 06:21 PM
R. Walter wrote:NC Hauler wrote:
Ben, time fly's...whether we're having fun or not...Spent 12 years with Ingersoll Rand Mining Machinery, 5 and a 1/2 years with Hercules and the last 23 with Continental Automotive, Started as an Engineer, been in R & D with two companies, been a MaintenanceSupervisor.. Machining Supervisor and Assembly Supervisor with this Company...EVERYTHING I've been involved with had STRINGENT guidelines and all erred to the side of Safety first, then Quality. when you're talking about ABS, brake calipers, explosives and underground mining equipment...specs and guidelines, and understanding the manufacturing process is key, and if any of this fails, we;re talking life and death..so I've NEVER taking manufacturers recommendations lightly, nor have I added to, or taken away from them
"If all else fails, read the instructions":B
We going have to meet up sometime, somewhere..believe we could tell some stories...I retire end of July...may happen one day buddy.
Jim
I must have read wrong, but on one of these threads I thought you said you were a truck driver.
โMar-15-2016 04:17 PM
NC Hauler wrote:
Ben, time fly's...whether we're having fun or not...Spent 12 years with Ingersoll Rand Mining Machinery, 5 and a 1/2 years with Hercules and the last 23 with Continental Automotive, Started as an Engineer, been in R & D with two companies, been a MaintenanceSupervisor.. Machining Supervisor and Assembly Supervisor with this Company...EVERYTHING I've been involved with had STRINGENT guidelines and all erred to the side of Safety first, then Quality. when you're talking about ABS, brake calipers, explosives and underground mining equipment...specs and guidelines, and understanding the manufacturing process is key, and if any of this fails, we;re talking life and death..so I've NEVER taking manufacturers recommendations lightly, nor have I added to, or taken away from them
"If all else fails, read the instructions":B
We going have to meet up sometime, somewhere..believe we could tell some stories...I retire end of July...may happen one day buddy.
Jim
โMar-12-2016 12:35 PM
drittal wrote:
His DRW truck has 10,500 GVWR. Over class IIb, no where near class IV. So how can anybody say it's GVWR is for tax reasons???
Even though his RAWR is ~3,000lbs greater than the SRW variant the GVWR only went up 400lbs.
Then in 2013 Ram upgrades the frame and suddenly GVWR jumps?
How can anybody argue that this truck with a GVWR of 10,500lbs was given that rating to stay in its class III rating when it's closer to IIB than IV?
โMar-12-2016 11:30 AM
โMar-12-2016 11:24 AM
Cummins12V98 wrote:drittal wrote:
So what tax class is 3500 DRW with a GVWR over 10,000lb trying to stay under?
Ram upgraded their frames in 2013 and lo both GVWR and GCWR grow substantially.
I may not be a rocket scientist but that seems like 1 + 1 = 2
Frame, YOU are the weakest link. Goodbye.
350/3500 and 450 with truck bed are all class 3. They all have GVWR of 14K as soon at they go 14,001 they are Class 4. The fact is the RAM 3500 and Ford 450 could easily be in the Class 4 classification. They keep them low so they can sell them to the AVERAGE folks!
As I have pointed out there is NO way I can be less then 14K if I load my rear axle to it's rated 9,750# and add the front axle factory weight of about 5,300# that right there puts me over 15K.
The reality is a person towing heavy with a RAM 3500 Dually should buy 16K tonnage.
โMar-12-2016 08:51 AM
drittal wrote:
So what tax class is 3500 DRW with a GVWR over 10,000lb trying to stay under?
Ram upgraded their frames in 2013 and lo both GVWR and GCWR grow substantially.
I may not be a rocket scientist but that seems like 1 + 1 = 2
Frame, YOU are the weakest link. Goodbye.
โMar-11-2016 04:48 PM
โMar-11-2016 04:11 PM
โMar-11-2016 03:00 PM
โMar-11-2016 10:48 AM
BenK wrote:
Folks can look at as 'recommendations' too, but note that when my stuff came
back and found that the owner didn't follow my manual/specifications/etc...I'd
not sign off on any warranty the service department sent back to my design teams
Warranty, but okay, take as a recommendation from the OEM...so if you don't follow
that recommendation...then why would the OEM provide warranty?
My industry sector was not automotive, but no different from any market
sector.
It is my design, my specification that cost me tons of money to design
to a specification...and pay for certification by the regulatory agencies
and then field the product.
All that costs me money and expect to make money to stay in business.
Part of that business are warranty costs, plus other overhead expenses
As for the 'read me first', 'manual', etc documentation...it is well
established in the courts that folks generally do NOT read them. OEMs
can NOT force them to read them, nor follow them...so the courts just
look at 'good faith' that all that stuff is in the product...so if
you toss them all without reading them, or understanding them...is is
okay with the courts and you will not get warranty/liability/etc