RV Fuel Issues & Prices - Post 'Em Here!

[Dick_A]

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[Fezziwig]

I was reading an oil industry trade paper and they said that 70% of the oil market is controlled by speculators right now, vs. 30% normally. That's probably why sortterm prices are so erratic.

[MrWizard]

it went from $3.32 to $3.45 over the week end back down to $3.35

funny thing LP finally dropped to $2.29 over at Tractor Supply about a mile away, it was $2.99 before july 4

this is in So Indiana

[Us_out_West]

$3.46 for Diesel here in Reno this morning.

[cekkk]

Fezziwig wrote:

Dick A wrote:
... Within certain limitations, the golden rule controls the majority of societal functions; He who has the gold makes the rules that others must / will follow.

I interpret that to mean that you, the Moderator, will only allow political views friendly to your own and all others will be censored.

Fuzzi, you and I hardly see eye to eye on these matters, and I'm pretty sure the Mod has knocked off my responses to your claims more than once.

[Fezziwig]

Dick A wrote:
... Within certain limitations, the golden rule controls the majority of societal functions; He who has the gold makes the rules that others must / will follow.

I interpret that to mean that you, the Moderator, will only allow political views friendly to your own and all others will be censored.

[SRT]

Hmm, seems some gas stations have dropped their prices down to $3.44. But there still are a bunch at $3.57. But prices continue to be high. Wish I could figure out why it took almost $125 a barrel of oil to get these prices in 2008. Now oil prices are in the mid $80's and gas prices are around $3.50. I know part of the reason has been the mass printing of the dollar (here and abroad) which makes it worth less.

[cekkk]

The moderator has a tough job on this thread. The title clearly invites discussion of gasoline, diesel, NG, propane, coal, sol and other fuels, the many questions involved with them, as well as prices. It implies far more than what we saw on the gas station billboard this morning.

Any discussion of fuels and their costs today and tomorrow that does not involve political influences is akin to discussing abortion while avoiding religious views.

As political discussion is not permitted on the forum, wisely in my view, I'd wonder why the thread is not closed. One could always start a new thriller, "What I Saw on the Way to Work this Morning."

[Dick_A]

We seem to have a few individuals who persist in driveling about social or political energy agendas.

When one reaches a certain stage in life after many years in academia and industry, wisdom reflects the base root reality of most all civilization. Within certain limitations, the golden rule controls the majority of societal functions; He who has the gold makes the rules that others must / will follow.

[SRT]

DelCamper wrote:
Crude oil is at $84 / bbl. It looks like $80 is a wall for now. I don't suspect gasoline to go below $3 gallon and more likely hover within the $3.15 to $3.50 range.

On the long term plus side the Bakken crude is being shipped by rail car to refineries (there are no pipelines) on the east coast for test runs. That is strictly testing only because it costs a fortune to ship crude by rail due to the volumes needed. This infers to me that they are expecting a significant volume of crude from that domestic source. Results I have heard about show it's a very light crude with lots of light products which better for gasoline if the refinery is set up for it. Unfortunately the trend was to upgrade refineries that process sour heavy crude because that is what was more available and affordable.

The Bakken crude is a game changer.

Oh, no, not another "game changer"....:R I wish that we, the consumers, didn't have "to get it in the shorts" all the time. We need a refinery up here to handle all the Bakken crude.

[DelCamper]

Crude oil is at $84 / bbl. It looks like $80 is a wall for now. I don't suspect gasoline to go below $3 gallon and more likely hover within the $3.15 to $3.50 range.

On the long term plus side the Bakken crude is being shipped by rail car to refineries (there are no pipelines) on the east coast for test runs. That is strictly testing only because it costs a fortune to ship crude by rail due to the volumes needed. This infers to me that they are expecting a significant volume of crude from that domestic source. Results I have heard about show it's a very light crude with lots of light products which better for gasoline if the refinery is set up for it. Unfortunately the trend was to upgrade refineries that process sour heavy crude because that is what was more available and affordable.

The Bakken crude is a game changer.

[SRT]

Checked gas prices here in Duluth this morning - $3.52 to $3.57. About 15 miles to the west is Cloquet, MN (a much smaller city). Their prices are $3.38 - $3.42. Their prices have always been lower. Even up in Two Harbors about 20 miles north it is cheaper. I continue to smell a rat in Duluth. So much for competition.....:R We continue to buy our gas at Sam's Club which is almost as cheap as the gasoline in Cloquet.

[LindsayRichards]

I see the importance on many issues but at $18 a bbl compared to oil NG will not be held down.

I certainly hope you are right, but recent events with coal make me think it will not under the current administration. My wife was calling off the gas prices yesterday as it is amazing. 3.08, 3.09, then 3.0 ten. We took our coach to the shop yesterday and I have only 1/4 tank left. Time to fill up at these prices, because I think they are as low as they are going to get for a while.

[DelCamper]

I see the importance on many issues but at $18 a bbl compared to oil NG will not be held down.

[LindsayRichards]

http://www2.wnct.com/news/2012/jul/02/nc-fracking-bill-becomes-law-veto-override-ar-2403138/?utm_sou...

North Carolina yesterday passed their fracking bill with a veto proof majority. The bill had passed previously with a large majority, but was vetoed by the liberal Governor. Actions like this give hope to those of us who think there is still a place for fossil fuels in America. There are also huge oil reserves offshore of that region and VA has been trying to get theirs. These increased supplies will not only bring down the prices of fuel, but curtail our reliance on the sheiks.

[Us_out_West]

Diesel $3.55 cash is the best we've seen lately in Reno...going down.