โMay-20-2008 09:25 PM
โAug-11-2012 11:37 AM
Bumpyroad wrote:tomman58 wrote:
Wrong again! My 2yr lease on the Volt is 177 a month with 2500 down stroke. Figuring the difference in the cost of our old car (20mpg) subtract that from the lease and it costs me $900.00 a year to own. go re-figure!
Don't worry about wind as those farms are growing in the US tremendously. The "grids" are being improved to take care of the "new" energy coming on them. The worst thing about the subsidy was Texas using it to buy windmills from China, real American that!.
With all the refinery fires this week we should see much higher gas prices for a while.
when you turn in your leased vehicle, if it is not worth what they anticipated it would be when you got your lease, will you not owe more money? I thought that was how leases work. When these vehicles are getting a few years on them and a $10,000 battery bill is on the horizon, what will the hulk be worth? A while back the paper had a comparison of cost of a gas vs hybrid car, I think it was a honda civic or some such, and it took 7-10 years for the hybrid to break even.
bumpy
โAug-11-2012 11:06 AM
โAug-11-2012 10:07 AM
camperdave wrote:Fezziwig wrote:
But the moderator deleted my message without explanation. I concluded that the moderator is opposed to alternative energy.
I've had this experience here too. I've concluded that this is not the proper forum for this kind of discussion. :B
โAug-11-2012 09:06 AM
Where do you get this information?
โAug-11-2012 08:53 AM
LindsayRichards wrote:
The UK installed the largest wind farm in the world in the North Sea where the wind blow more that almost anywhere else in the world. They are already starting to fail on the concrete bases and the government has decided not to repair them. As they fail, they will be sold for scrap. Had all of this money been spent on research, then maybe we would be further along in our search for cheap dependable energy. A simple question for those who have not taken the time to research wind and solar is, "If these make such great economic sense and are such a great deal, how come they are not on every roof top?"
โAug-11-2012 08:10 AM
tomman58 wrote:cekkk wrote:
Right, LR. No matter how you spin it, these green "alternatives" only work if the dollars are ignored, and then only half-a**.
Here in Colorado the big news story was how wind power furnished over 50% of our power one day last week. Well, not exactly. Actually, it was one night last week. When usage was low. And Lord knows what those KWHs cost. But they were green!
Oh, yeah. You, Mr. and Mrs. U.S. Taxpayer, picked up 30% of the initial costs of these ridiculously expensive turbines. But no thank yous are in order, as the credits expire in a few months and we Colorans will be stuck with the future exorbitant costs. :S
Wrong again! My 2yr lease on the Volt is 177 a month with 2500 down stroke. Figuring the difference in the cost of our old car (20mpg) subtract that from the lease and it costs me $900.00 a year to own. go re-figure!
Don't worry about wind as those farms are growing in the US tremendously. The "grids" are being improved to take care of the "new" energy coming on them. The worst thing about the subsidy was Texas using it to buy windmills from China, real American that!.
With all the refinery fires this week we should see much higher gas prices for a while.
โAug-11-2012 07:13 AM
tomman58 wrote:
Wrong again! My 2yr lease on the Volt is 177 a month with 2500 down stroke. Figuring the difference in the cost of our old car (20mpg) subtract that from the lease and it costs me $900.00 a year to own. go re-figure!
Don't worry about wind as those farms are growing in the US tremendously. The "grids" are being improved to take care of the "new" energy coming on them. The worst thing about the subsidy was Texas using it to buy windmills from China, real American that!.
With all the refinery fires this week we should see much higher gas prices for a while.
โAug-11-2012 07:03 AM
โAug-11-2012 06:27 AM
Don't worry about wind as those farms are growing in the US tremendously.
โAug-11-2012 06:17 AM
cekkk wrote:
Right, LR. No matter how you spin it, these green "alternatives" only work if the dollars are ignored, and then only half-a**.
Here in Colorado the big news story was how wind power furnished over 50% of our power one day last week. Well, not exactly. Actually, it was one night last week. When usage was low. And Lord knows what those KWHs cost. But they were green!
Oh, yeah. You, Mr. and Mrs. U.S. Taxpayer, picked up 30% of the initial costs of these ridiculously expensive turbines. But no thank yous are in order, as the credits expire in a few months and we Colorans will be stuck with the future exorbitant costs. :S
โAug-11-2012 05:28 AM
โAug-10-2012 08:08 PM
โAug-10-2012 07:52 PM
โAug-10-2012 07:46 PM
camperdave wrote:
dammit, i just can't resist this thread... this time I'm done. :R
โAug-10-2012 06:34 PM