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(Update 3 years later) OC lose up to 2500 RV Storage Spaces

2bzy2c
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7-13-2018 Update -

I am resurrecting this old thread to update everyone on the impact of the closure of El Toro RV Storage has had on the industry.

While it took quite a bit longer for the actual closure of El Toro to happen, it did in fact close in 2015 Article in OC Register

What was surprising, was the impact initially was virtually nil. Very few people panicked, and most of the 2200 RV's did find a home, even if only temporary.

It wasn't until the summer of 2016 when the RV Storage problem hit the fan. Myself and other fellow RV storage operators were overwhelmed with calls from frustrated people seeking storage for their RV. We were sold out, and most all other storage facilities had no vacancy. We stopped putting people on the waiting list as we simply were not experiencing any vacancies at all, and none were expected. Resale prices on the storage condos doubled in value.

The partial solution found by some were private parties advertising RV storage on vacant lots, the side of their house, and other solutions. However, California being California, the various cities soon put a stop to that via code enforcement.

Fast forward a few years to today, with the surge in RV sales, and the overall recovery of the economy, the calls I am getting from some people are not frustrated, but now they are angry, bordering on scared. Some just bought a new RV, and cannot find storage. They cannot park it on the street or at their house (in some cases).

Granted, this is probably a Southern California anomaly, compounded by the lack of storage facilities, and the rapid growth of the RV industry, coupled with the El Toro closure. It is a recipe for extreme frustration for many.

As a developer of RV storage condominiums, we do have the solution, but it takes 3 years, from lot purchase to construction completion. In California, some areas can take over 4 years. Further, land values in Orange County are near 4 million an acre. Way too expensive to even consider building in Orange County. The solution? It is looking like RV storage may be limited to areas outside of Orange County, such as Riverside and other more inland areas. Even those areas are getting prohibitively expensive, never mind the red tape the cities require for building and the time required for entitlement.

It is a true problem, that may only be solved by the next recession or $6 per gallon gas.

-End Update


Background

Upon the closure of the El Toro Maine Base in Orange County in 1999, the existing landing strips were turned into the nations largest RV storage lot, with 2500 RVโ€™s parked on the runways. A sorely needed commodity in the Orange County area, since the high cost of land made it unfeasible to allocate 2 million dollar an acre land for the storage of RVโ€™s

Recent Developments

Early in November, 2013 All Star Services the operator of leased land held by the City of Irvine and Lennar Corp / Five Point Communities, gave their 30 day notice that they would no longer manage the 2500 space RV storage lot located on the old abandoned El Toro Air Field . The monthly lease amount paid by All Star Services was $147,000 per month. This covered about 60+ acres, mostly on the old airport runways. The 30 day notice takes effect December 1st, 2013

On November 27th, 2013, the City of Irvine gave Lennar Corp and Five Point Communities approval to build an additional 4600 homes in exchange for Lennar to complete the Great Park project also located on the runways.

This means the RV's stored there will have to be moved in very short order. This will cause a significant problem for Orange County California RV owners.

Solution?

The only solution is to build more storage, however, in Orange County, to find raw land costs at least 1.5 million an acre and up depending on the location. No matter how you try to pencil it out, it does not work financially, unless you are willing to charge $600 per month to park an RV on a dirt lot.

The Future

As it looks right now, existing RV storage costs will certainly rise. How much is anybodies guess, but needles to say, higher costs are pretty much a certainty.

As present, I have spoken to a few RV owners, and they are planing to store their RV's inland, such as Riverside and LA County, where land prices are are reasonable. That seems to be the only solution at the moment. Not very convenient, but any port in a storm I guess.

The RV storage operators in the inland areas of Southern California are seeing this as a bonanza. They now have a captive market, with higher profits soon to be realized.

Disclosure

I also built an RV storage facility in Beaumont. We are just about full. This will not benefit me much since we do not offer rentals, our facility only sells RV storage.

I hope all the RV'ers take this to heart and make plans soon to move elsewhere before the "RV-Maggedon" hits all of us.

Video of the November 26th City Council Meeting on the RV Storage issue.

Ted Deits
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CKNSLS
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ol Bombero-JC wrote:
CKNSLS wrote:
smkettner wrote:
I will be looking to buy an RV friendly rental house in OC when the time comes.
There are some around.



The neighborhoods that "RV Friendly" you wouldn't want to live in. Yes, even in Orange County.



Pure hogwash!.:S

I would articulate that more "profoundly" for you, "CKNSLS", but the Mod/Admin would probably not be happy.

I have owned a home in Mission Viejo since 1987.

Before that - 1974 to 1987 - in Huntington Beach.

Both areas are outstanding, and I wouldn't have a problem moving back
to the exact (same) neighborhood I left in HB.

If you have the side yard access - (I did in HB and also in MV) no problem for storage in either city.

Actually - in HB there is no setback requirement - just has to be
off the street & on your property

There are plenty of other cities in Orange County with available storage space - on normal residential lots.

However, if you live in an apt, condo or PRD - you *are* in a bind.

BTW - to quote from "2bzy2c's" profile:
"My advice is worth exactly what you paid for it"

Well said.:R

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Some parts of Huntington Beach are not that great.....

2bzy2c
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You are right. Lots more space.
My advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.

RambleOnNW
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sidney wrote:
Wow... that's a boat load of RVs.

Google map these coordinates for a view:

33.677711,-117.723463


clicky


From the looks of all the unused runway space they could have stored 20,000 rvs.
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96Bounder30E
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CKNSLS wrote:
smkettner wrote:
I will be looking to buy an RV friendly rental house in OC when the time comes.
There are some around.



The neighborhoods that "RV Friendly" you wouldn't want to live in. Yes, even in Orange County.



Well, not all neighborhoods in the OC are like that......I live in the heart of the OC........and my house is RV friendly and in a neighborhood that is heavily residential......While it's not a new neighborhood the houses are kept up and the values reflect it.....


If you can afford to live in the OC...you can afford to live pretty much anywhere.......



I know several people that are parked on the base and I feel for them!
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shakyjay
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CKNSLS wrote:
smkettner wrote:
I will be looking to buy an RV friendly rental house in OC when the time comes.
There are some around.



The neighborhoods that "RV Friendly" you wouldn't want to live in. Yes, even in Orange County.


While that might be true in some cases that is not true in all. Just a matter of how big your bank account is.
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shakyjay
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It's like living anywhere, there are trade offs. The property in question is prime real estate. I think everyone has been aware for some time that it was only a matter of time before it gets developed.
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CKNSLS
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smkettner wrote:
I will be looking to buy an RV friendly rental house in OC when the time comes.
There are some around.



The neighborhoods that "RV Friendly" you wouldn't want to live in. Yes, even in Orange County.

time2roll
Nomad
Nomad
I will be looking to buy an RV friendly rental house in OC when the time comes.
There are some around.

2bzy2c
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Explorer II
They probably could, but 2500 RV's. Not likely.
My advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.

tkcas01
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Explorer
Several years ago I bought a house in Carlsbad, CA and the development had an area set aside for RV storage for homeowners. Too bad the city/county can't require the developers of the El Toro property to do the same. Not enough RV lobbyists in local government I guess.
Roaming Full Timer

2bzy2c
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Explorer II
They are less expensive than renting something similar.
Yes there is value.

...and thank you.
My advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.

CKNSLS
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2bzy2c wrote:
CKNSLS wrote:
The OP has been crying "Wolf" now for about four years in regards to the RV storage spaces closing in Orange County, California. Prior to relocating to Utah for retirement, I regularly received his mailers stating that the RV storage lot closing in Orange County was basically eminent.

I guess the storage spaces he has are not selling as anticipated.


Well, I can't argue with you. I sort of feel the same way, however, I only report on information gathered from Lennar (The developer) and the Irvine City Council

Development is an off and on again proposition. It all depends on the temperature of the economy and the consumer.

Example:

2007 Lennar begins demolotion of the runways after moving the RV's to other parts of the facility.

2007- City of Irvine put the operator of the RV storage facility on a month to month lease, sighting impending closure of the storage facility due to development.

2008 - 2009 - The economy begins to fail. Work is halted.

2009 - The El Toro project / Great Park Development is mothballed for an undefinable period of time.

2012 - Irvine Travel Center and their 400 space RV lot is shut down as developers purchased the land for residential development.

2012 - 1200 RV spaces operated by Storage Depot is also shut down as developers purchased the land.

2012 Lennar begins construction of 4600 homes. Great Park looses 1.4 billion in California funds due to Gov Browns tightening.

2013 Lennar wants to build another 4500 homes plus 2 million sq ft of commercial property in exchange, Lennar will complete the Great Park. City of Irvine agrees since they have no other source of funding. (200 million was spent on studies and designs, in other words pissed it away). Irvine City Council agrees on 11/27/13. All Star Services (The operator of the storage lot) gives notice terminating their lease effective 12/1/13

So yes, I have cried Wolf lots of times. But in each event, the information seemed viable and truthful. It was the mood of the developer and the changing economy that made me feel and look
like a fool. Bottom line is no one got hurt.

As far as my project goes, your snide comment about "not selling well" was not appreciated, especially since we are over 90% sold out. We only have 12 units left of the original 107. Yes it took a while, but one thing is certain. I did not give up. I did this on my own. From concept to completion. I survived the downturn when many with similar projects did not.

Please take the time to view the video I posted in my original post from the Irvine City Council. They go into great detail about it. Then you can see for yourself what my fellow RV'ers are going to be up against. No Wolf this time.



I thought about buying one of your units, but felt they were overpriced. I guess others have found value in them. I apologize for my previous remark about them not selling. I can respect the comment you made,about at least agreeing that you were premature about some of your predictions.

2bzy2c
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Explorer II
CKNSLS wrote:
The OP has been crying "Wolf" now for about four years in regards to the RV storage spaces closing in Orange County, California. Prior to relocating to Utah for retirement, I regularly received his mailers stating that the RV storage lot closing in Orange County was basically eminent.

I guess the storage spaces he has are not selling as anticipated.


Well, I can't argue with you. I sort of feel the same way, however, I only report on information gathered from Lennar (The developer) and the Irvine City Council

Development is an off and on again proposition. It all depends on the temperature of the economy and the consumer.

Example:

2007 Lennar begins demolotion of the runways after moving the RV's to other parts of the facility.

2007- City of Irvine put the operator of the RV storage facility on a month to month lease, sighting impending closure of the storage facility due to development.

2008 - 2009 - The economy begins to fail. Work is halted.

2009 - The El Toro project / Great Park Development is mothballed for an undefinable period of time.

2012 - Irvine Travel Center and their 400 space RV lot is shut down as developers purchased the land for residential development.

2012 - 1200 RV spaces operated by Storage Depot is also shut down as developers purchased the land.

2012 Lennar begins construction of 4600 homes. Great Park looses 1.4 billion in California funds due to Gov Browns tightening.

2013 Lennar wants to build another 4500 homes plus 2 million sq ft of commercial property in exchange, Lennar will complete the Great Park. City of Irvine agrees since they have no other source of funding. (200 million was spent on studies and designs, in other words pissed it away). Irvine City Council agrees on 11/27/13. All Star Services (The operator of the storage lot) gives notice terminating their lease effective 12/1/13

So yes, I have cried Wolf lots of times. But in each event, the information seemed viable and truthful. It was the mood of the developer and the changing economy that made me feel and look
like a fool. Bottom line is no one got hurt.

As far as my project goes, your snide comment about "not selling well" was not appreciated, especially since we are over 90% sold out. We only have 12 units left of the original 107. Yes it took a while, but one thing is certain. I did not give up. I did this on my own. From concept to completion. I survived the downturn when many with similar projects did not.

Please take the time to view the video I posted in my original post from the Irvine City Council. They go into great detail about it. Then you can see for yourself what my fellow RV'ers are going to be up against. No Wolf this time.
My advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.

coolbreeze01
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My wife was a child when her dad was a Sgt. Major at El Toro in the 50's. He would be appalled at the current squabble, if he were alive.......
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CKNSLS
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The OP has been crying "Wolf" now for about four years in regards to the RV storage spaces closing in Orange County, California. Prior to relocating to Utah for retirement, I regularly received his mailers stating that the RV storage lot closing in Orange County was basically eminent.

I guess the storage spaces he has are not selling as anticipated.