Did Honda just come out with a new Generator ?

[stevekk]

My camping neighbor told me Honda just came out with a NEW 3500 watt and
about 70 pounds weight and low noise.
I googled the net, but no luck any new Gens from Honda.
Anybody heard of such a Generator?
I am looking for a REAL Quiet Gen to run my AC.
Thanks

[robert_at_honda]

NinerBikes wrote:
OK this question is for Robert at Honda.

Which Eu series generators run a steel sleeve in the bore, and which do not?

The EU1000i is a 100% aluminum block/bore. It has a 24-month warranty.

All other EU-series have aluminum blocks and cast-iron cylinder sleeves. They all have a 36-month warranty.

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I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone.
Robert@Honda

[NinerBikes]

OK this question is for Robert at Honda.

Which Eu series generators run a steel sleeve in the bore, and which do not?

[pnichols]

otrfun wrote:
IMO, advertised db levels are generally useful and reflective of realworld performance as long as the load level is also factored into the db comparison.

Exactly!!!

IMHO, that's why many folks with their Honda portable generators claim that they are so quiet - they rarely run them much at loads anywhere near their maximums. In other words, they are paying for a generator that is most of the time way too large/powerful just to get low noise during the bulk of their usage.

The above is why we continue to use an old obsolete Honda suitcase generator that never exceeds a 54dB noise level with any load we place on it. It never is louder than 54dB.

It's too bad that modern Honda small portable inverter generators can't be designed to remain around 53dB at maximum output.

[otrfun]

Desertboy wrote:
Would the Honda 1000 be enough to operate a 5000 BTU window unit? And one other question, I read on another message board that these small Generators only lasted about 800 hours before they needed a rebuild/ Is that true?

It's my understanding the EU1000 does not use an iron cylinder sleeve like the rest of the Honda EU-series generators. It's possible this may have an impact on the EU1000's longevity.

[SoundGuy]

Thanks Robert ... my response is the same here as it was in this other concurrent thread on the subject ...

... just the answer I expected! Obviously, some such as C.B. who have been so absolutely convinced otherwise are going to have to revise their thinking on the subject. 😉 As for me, I'm only still confused by the Honda Canada website info that declares noise measurements are taken at "1.5 metres to 7 metres" ... huh? :@ :h

[robert_at_honda]

Okay, here's some straight dope.

The current Honda generator brochure has a typo, incorrectly listing the distance for noise measurements as 3 meters. Actual measurements are taken at 7 meters (23 ft). This error will be corrected in the next version of the generator brochure.

FYI, published measurement data is unchanged, e.g., noise measurements were indeed taken at 7 meters.

No firm word yet from Honda R&D on an exact method or protocol used for noise measurements.

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I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone.
Robert@Honda

[Desertboy]

Thanks guys, Im looking for more threads. I figured those youngsters in the other message boards were not correct, and that's why I asked the question here. If you do run across anymore info on this topic please post it or message me. I feel like I should spend a few hundred more and just get the Honda 2000 and be on the safe side, Im sure it would do the job plus power lights ect.

[JiminDenver]

For what those things cost, you can bet they last much longer than 800 hours when taken care of properly. They are king of the hill for a reason.

Running a 5000 BTU air conditioner is easy, starting it depends on the unit, temperature, altitude and the surge ability of the generator. I spent a year finding out which unit used the least so my solar could run it. Starting it requires a battery to give the umph the compressor needs to get going. Getting it going again when the pressure has built up is even harder so you may have to run it full blast so that the compressor doesn't cycle. There is a you tube of someone doing this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnsCfRsrevg

[SoundGuy]

Desertboy wrote:
I read on another message board that these small Generators only lasted about 800 hours before they needed a rebuild/ Is that true?

I'm sure that would be interesting news to those who live off grid year 'round and claim 10,000 hrs of run time on an EU2000i without a major rebuild is entirely possible. :B

[Desertboy]

Would the Honda 1000 be enough to operate a 5000 BTU window unit? And one other question, I read on another message board that these small Generators only lasted about 800 hours before they needed a rebuild/ Is that true?

[otrfun]

The 3 vs. 7 meter debate aside, I've found the Honda, Yamaha, and Champion generator db ratings generally useful and reflective of realworld performance.

The Champion 3100 is rated at 58 db at 25% load (700 watts). The Honda EU2000i is rated at 53 db at 25% load (400 watt) and 59 db at 100% load (1600 watts). I've had plenty of opportunity to listen to these two generators operating side-by-side under differing loads. Put a 25% load (700 watts) on the Champion 3100 and a 100% load (1600 watts) on the EU2000i and you'll find there is no remarkable difference in sound level (both with eco mode on). Both are still somewhat quiet. However, if you increase the Champion 3100's load to 100% (2800 watts) the sound level goes up significantly. Under 100% load (2800 watts) the Champion 3100's sound level approaches the level of a "quieter" open-frame generator---IMO, approx. 65-66 db.

IMO, advertised db levels are generally useful and reflective of realworld performance as long as the load level is also factored into the db comparison.

[robert_at_honda]

red31 wrote:
Not sure if this is the same Robert @ honda, via Facebook.

".I am looking into this, but on the outset, it may just be a typo/error. I am pretty sure the 7 meters spec is correct, but understand some documents state the distance as 3 meters. When I can confirm, I will give you the straight dope on the actual spec.
By-the-way, are you active on www.rv.net? This discussion has come up in a forum there too, and I'm trying to get a firm answer for them as well.
Thanks! -Robert"

Thanks.

Yes, that's me. Same-same. Stand by and I'll post the definitive answer ASAP.

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I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone.
Robert@Honda

[red31]

Not sure if this is the same Robert @ honda, via Facebook.

".I am looking into this, but on the outset, it may just be a typo/error. I am pretty sure the 7 meters spec is correct, but understand some documents state the distance as 3 meters. When I can confirm, I will give you the straight dope on the actual spec.
By-the-way, are you active on www.rv.net? This discussion has come up in a forum there too, and I'm trying to get a firm answer for them as well.
Thanks! -Robert"

Thanks.

[SoundGuy]

JiminDenver wrote:
Side by side testing is the death knell for fudgy advertisers and never appreciated by those that puff out their chest with the but but but mine is better and worth every penny because of it. Yet even when the truth is revealed they will grasp at that advertising so that they can feel good about looking down their nose. They still have more repair centers right, you can always hang your hat on that. lol

LOL indeed ... curious as to why you'd be so worked up about this. :h I'm an EU2000i owner and yeah, I'd like a straight answer from Honda about their noise measurement process but beyond that I can't say I care at all. It is what it is, which as far as I'm concerned is still too much noise for use in an organized campground regardless of how "quiet" Honda or Yamaha or Champion or whomever claim their gensets to be. That's why I went to all the trouble to build a genset noise reduction box that when sitting in the back of my Avalanche's closed cargo compartment does indeed reduce the racket substantially ... but it's not silent, that's for sure. As for "looking down" at anyone who doesn't own a Honda inverter genset you'd have to look elsewhere as I could care less what anyone else chooses to own, yourself included, my only concern being that whatever it is I don't want to hear it. :R

[red31]

SCVJeff wrote:

Rather than beat this thing to death, take their DB specs and adapt to the competition distance specs. And move on. Why keep calling people, even at the company that can't even agree.

No adapting needed.

Honda uses the same dB spec for both 9 and 23 feet.

Too many 'home', university, magazine tests that show even at 23', honda is 'optimistic'.