Electric Propulsion Reality Check

[MEXICOWANDERER]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_naDg-guomA

[free_radical]

China electric vehicles expanding worldwide

https://youtu.be/FHu5aepH8t8

[free_radical]

philh wrote:
No way China is using more coal... their use of BEV has increased substantially and continuing to grow. BEV's don't use coal.

Almost typed that with a straight face.

Here lol some more/S

China The worlds cleanest coal burning powerplant
https://youtu.be/3dGHLC5YTEA

China electric cars
https://youtu.be/XgvWh_VbTW8

China solar projects
https://youtu.be/FGar6n24fOY

How China solar fuels electric cars
https://youtu.be/0dYBpUe-uUU

[pnichols]

Hmmm ... I sure wish that my RV was as "self-contained" as our stick house: 1) A natural spring for our water, and 2) a septic tank and leach-field system for our waste that is so over-sized that it's only gotten pumped out once in over 40 years and even then it didn't need it. Ooops ... in all honesty I should mention that we have no solar on the house roof because ... for power outages I instead have a large portable gas powered generator as backup for the stick house. However unlike our generator-centric RV, our daily stick house electrical power is now less expensive and comes entirely from non-polluting sources.

FWIW, we have a large propane tank on our property and the propane truck came to top it up today. The driver also brought his propane truck over next to our RV and topped up it's built-in propane tank right here at home! I also have a dump station here at home for our RV that leads - via a deeply buried 4" sewer line - into the septic tank. Boy that sewer line was a lot of fun installing when I did it centuries ago!

[philh]

No way China is using more coal... their use of BEV has increased substantially and continuing to grow. BEV's don't use coal.

Almost typed that with a straight face.

[Reisender]

pianotuna wrote:
Hi Phil,

Hence the need for a solar powered RV.

In the last year the only "free" dumpsite in town (Regina, SK) has been paved over.

The local Husky (gas) station has permanently closed theirs.

The only "year round" Campground now wants $40 for a dump and fill up with water.

I'd say I live in a pretty RV unfriendly location.

Holy ****...in the literal sense.

Of the two in our town both are free but one takes donations.

[time2roll]

pnichols wrote:
I suspect that RVs will be real popular when the first and final - or next to the first and final - world catastrophe occurs. Already thousands, or hundreds of thousands(?), folks full time live in RVs. Just wait until the rest of us can no longer live in our homes/apartments/tents due to the catastrophe ... RVs may be priceless, then, if they have enough fuel left in their tanks to somehow escape the affects of the catastrophe.

Like the FEMA trailers?

[pianotuna]

Hi Phil,

Hence the need for a solar powered RV.

In the last year the only "free" dumpsite in town (Regina, SK) has been paved over.

The local Husky (gas) station has permanently closed theirs.

The only "year round" Campground now wants $40 for a dump and fill up with water.

I'd say I live in a pretty RV unfriendly location.

[pnichols]

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:

joebedford wrote:
The statements in your clicky may be true, but Radio Free Asia is hardly an unbiased source.

The coal in china is a rather low-grade of bituminous. I sm going to end my participation in this discussion by stating the following...

Recreational Vehicles are considered by many in Congress to be the mortal enemy of a green society. Their evil eye has not fully focused on this yet. When the attacks come, it will be in the form of punitive taxes. How would you like a thousand dollar energy surtax on the purchase price? Or a thirty dollar a day tax on USFS campground stays?
radical congresspeople want RVs to disappear. They will legislate them out of existence. They do not RV -- all they care about is their world of wacky ideas. And it is not based on intelligence.

The quote in red above is a snippet from Wikipedia. I thought it to be economically concise. It's in agreement with dozens and dozens of USA studies, world studies and Chinese admissions which china desperately wants to suppress.

"Some people are more equal than others"

If you disagree

"Take the midnight train to Tokyo or Brussels"

We done

David ... I'm disappointed that you're done. 😞 Your observations and viewpoints are often rich in eventual truths.

All that many in Congress care about is their -> low work output, high prestige, high salaried, and great heathcare plan ... jobs.

I suspect that RVs will be real popular when the first and final - or next to the first and final - world catastrophe occurs. Already thousands, or hundreds of thousands(?), folks full time live in RVs. Just wait until the rest of us can no longer live in our homes/apartments/tents due to the catastrophe ... RVs may be priceless, then, if they have enough fuel left in their tanks to somehow escape the affects of the catastrophe.

[MEXICOWANDERER]

joebedford wrote:
The statements in your clicky may be true, but Radio Free Asia is hardly an unbiased source.

The coal in china is a rather low-grade of bituminous. I sm going to end my participation in this discussion by stating the following...

Recreational Vehicles are considered by many in Congress to be the mortal enemy of a green society. Their evil eye has not fully focused on this yet. When the attacks come, it will be in the form of punitive taxes. How would you like a thousand dollar energy surtax on the purchase price? Or a thirty dollar a day tax on USFS campground stays?
radical congresspeople want RVs to disappear. They will legislate them out of existence. They do not RV -- all they care about is their world of wacky ideas. And it is not based on intelligence.

The quote in red above is a snippet from Wikipedia. I thought it to be economically concise. It's in agreement with dozens and dozens of USA studies, world studies and Chinese admissions which china desperately wants to suppress.

"Some people are more equal than others"

If you disagree

"Take the midnight train to Tokyo or Brussels"

We done

[maillemaker]

Economics will dictate the changes more than political will.

This is why I quit worrying about climate change a long time ago.

Money always wins. If money says burn the sky black, that is what we'll do.

I suspect that most of the world is just screwed and will die off.

[joebedford]

The statements in your clicky may be true, but Radio Free Asia is hardly an unbiased source.

[JaxDad]

free radical wrote:

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
China is using m-o-r-e coal than ever before.

China doesnt use more coal then ever stop BSing.

I’d like to see the facts you based that statement on. The below article and many others all say China is indeed using more coal. They are shifting away from coal produced electricity and producing less domestic coal, but importing more.

Clicky clicky.

[MEXICOWANDERER]

Adequate reading comprehension taught me to segregate basic cognitive
like low latitude rain forests of which China is neither low latitude nor has rain forests.

Meanwhile, China emits almost TEN TIMES the CO2 as the USA. Do you know why? It isn't all due to factories. An unimaginable amount of coal is used for home heating and cooking.

Even when autos in China are all-electric, the lack of natural gas will maintain CO2 levels far far far above anything the USA ever emitted. The Soviet Union II has millions living in Siberia in conditions where Diesel Noc 1 would freeze harder than a brick. They use coal because the wood is awful.

Another factoid is nations who dislike the US.


ADDED FROM THIS MINUTE'S BBC HEADLINES

Brazil's Amazon rainforest has seen a record number of fires this year, according to new data from the country's space research agency.

The National Institute for Space Research (Inpe) said its satellite data showed an 83% increase on the same period in 2018.

It comes weeks after President Jair Bolsonaro fired the head of the agency amid rows over its deforestation data.

Smoke from the fires caused a blackout in the city of Sao Paulo on Monday.

Yes, Sao Paulo where I stood at a crosswalk and had tears running down my cheeks and people were wearing masks as protection from alcohol car fumes.

Things aren't always like they seem.

[MEXICOWANDERER]

When I get sarcastic I exaggerate in a form that hopefully is absurdly comical. I do not BS...confidence in someone's statements is priceless and almost impossible to regain once lost.

China

Most of the electricity in China comes from coal, which accounted for 66% of the electricity generation mix in 2016. ... China's coal powered generating capacity is expected to increase to 1300 GW by 2020, from 960 GW in 2016, despite official plans to limit that growth to 1100 GW.

Rather than insult someone's integrity in public I always try to research. It saves me embarrassment but I guess some people could care less.

[free_radical]

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
And Russia and China BOTH weaseled out by setting THEIR OWN timeline for compliance. The USA refused and withdrew.

Action, and not B.S.

Neither country has done squat with or without joining the accord.

And toss in Brazil and equatorial Africa for ignorance in defending their role in rainforest depletion.

"Oh because your country is the wealthiest it has to do more. Much much more" is the height of hypocrisy.

But you have to get into the minutes of the meetings to see this.

Yet the US has reduced emissions than any other country. But people who ***** about the USA refusal are the first to pull out their pie charts and chortle over the gross reduction in fossil fuel reliance for the production of electricity. Take Russia and their openness with a giant catastrophe with nuclear weapons radiation leak -- a class III event.

China is using m-o-r-e coal than ever before. Clearcutting has increased on the equator. And I see no meaningful effort at reforestation.

One for you and two for me. Two for you and seven for me doesn't cut it.

China doesnt use more coal then ever stop BSing

They are largest producer of EV cars and solar and will ban all ICE cars manufacturers after 2025

Also China takes reforestation very seriously and does something about
It

https://youtu.be/7Nur35fnjDA