New 2kw Honda Generator

[robert3]

The Honda EU2000i is a popular model with many RV'ers, so I thought I share this to avoid any confusion if you hear about this new model...it's really only for construction/rental. For RV use, the EU-series models remain the best choice, as they have more features and cost less.



...Honda announced a new model generator today, the EB2000i. It’s very similar to the popular EU2000i, and has the same power, inverter technology, Eco-Throttle, etc. The main difference is the EB2000i has a G.F.C.I. duplex receptacle, similar to other Honda EB-series models, which are marketed to commercial, industrial, rental, and construction users. In some locations, local codes require generators to pass certain tests, and a GFCI system is required. Other differences are: no parallel operation and no DC output. It does have the standard 3-year warranty (commercial and residential). MSRP is $1,279.95.

-Robert@Honda
Caveat: I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone.

[diveman52]

ken white wrote:
Only issue is lots of RV's trip GFCI outlets due to power supply leakage currents...

If they are that's a problem that should be corrected.
And this statement is not true~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[69_Avion]

Without the parallel ability it is not even worth considering, for me.

[ktmrfs]

Wayne Dohnal wrote:
Short of a malfunction of the eu2000i, there's no way to trip a GFCI hooked directly to its output. Because of the isolated output the short circuit current from either power output to case ground is below the GFCI trip threshold. The GFCI is required by some of the rules. On the eu2000i it's totally redundant and will never trip (without an internal malfunction). IMO a good deal for Honda having the bureaucracy force customers to pay $100+ for a GFCI outlet. I see the MSRP for the eu2000i is now 1149.95. That's an increase, isn't it?

It would IF honda bonded ground and neutral inside the generator AND the path is between the hot leg and the cord ground.

But then that might violate some other regulations.

Other than that, yes, tripping the GFI is an excercise in futility.

[BFL13]

robert@honda wrote:

rbp111 wrote:
Will Honda come out with an RV 30 amp outlet, or will they maintain the contractor's outlet?

I know when I bought my two EU 2000is, the gentleman from Honda told me the reason that Honda puts the contractor's outlet is that there are more sold to contractors than to RV owners.

The 30A twist-lock will remain the standard for all Honda generators for now. I suspect Honda engineering standards require locking receptacles above 20A. I know a lot of customers ding Honda for not having an RV-type receptacle and having to buy an adapter, but it is because the RV-type does not lock and isn't as secure as a twist-lock design.

-Robert@Honda

Caveat: I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone.

The Honda 3000 stays in the truck bed away from the trailer so I like the twist lock on the 30 so the heavy RV shore power cord plus adapter does not pull out when stretched out and there is weight at the receptacle.

It is worth it to have the twist lock even though you need an adapter IMO.

[NinerBikes]

This is why I Drive to Simi Valley in Ventura County to do all my shopping Los Angeles County and the city of Los Angeles are all communistic.

[robert3]

rbp111 wrote:
Will Honda come out with an RV 30 amp outlet, or will they maintain the contractor's outlet?

I know when I bought my two EU 2000is, the gentleman from Honda told me the reason that Honda puts the contractor's outlet is that there are more sold to contractors than to RV owners.

The 30A twist-lock will remain the standard for all Honda generators for now. I suspect Honda engineering standards require locking receptacles above 20A. I know a lot of customers ding Honda for not having an RV-type receptacle and having to buy an adapter, but it is because the RV-type does not lock and isn't as secure as a twist-lock design.

-Robert@Honda
Caveat: I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone.

[robert3]

Wayne Dohnal wrote:
IMO a good deal for Honda having the bureaucracy force customers to pay $100+ for a GFCI outlet. I see the MSRP for the eu2000i is now 1149.95. That's an increase, isn't it?

Honda would love to keep selling the standard EU2000i in L.A. county, but the L.A. ETL (Electrical Testing Lab) requires generators sold in that area to pass certain testing that obligated the use of a GFCI circuit. Honda had to suspend sales of the EU2000i in L.A. county due to this rule change, but the EB2000i will pass the tests and can be sold there.

-Robert@Honda
Caveat: I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone.

[rbp111]

Will Honda come out with an RV 30 amp outlet, or will they maintain the contractor's outlet?

I know when I bought my two EU 2000is, the gentleman from Honda told me the reason that Honda puts the contractor's outlet is that there are more sold to contractors than to RV owners.

[Wayne_Dohnal]

Short of a malfunction of the eu2000i, there's no way to trip a GFCI hooked directly to its output. Because of the isolated output the short circuit current from either power output to case ground is below the GFCI trip threshold. The GFCI is required by some of the rules. On the eu2000i it's totally redundant and will never trip (without an internal malfunction). IMO a good deal for Honda having the bureaucracy force customers to pay $100+ for a GFCI outlet. I see the MSRP for the eu2000i is now 1149.95. That's an increase, isn't it?

[ktmrfs]

ScottG wrote:

ken white wrote:
Only issue is lots of RV's trip GFCI outlets due to power supply leakage currents...

The OP said it was only for construction/rental use.

The only problem I see is large motors, like circular saws, sometimes trip GFCI's which could get annoying on the job site.

Annoying yes, but a lot less annoying than getting fined by OSHA or an inspector for local code violation I suppose.

[ScottG]

ken white wrote:
Only issue is lots of RV's trip GFCI outlets due to power supply leakage currents...

The OP said it was only for construction/rental use.

The only problem I see is large motors, like circular saws, sometimes trip GFCI's which could get annoying on the job site.

[ken_white]

Only issue is lots of RV's trip GFCI outlets due to power supply leakage currents...

[mlts22]

Makes sense, this definitely would be the only game in town for places that require GFCI/AFCI protection on generators, and wanted something where the noise wouldn't wake the dead.

[robert3]

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
This model is a true 2.0 Kw and not 2,000 watts rated?

Thanks

Same power ratings (1600w/2000w continuous/maximum) as the EU2000i. FYI, same engine, inverter, fuel capacity, dB(a), etc. Does not have parallel or D.C. charging. USA-only model (for now).

More FYI: Why this model? Certain areas (Los Angeles County) have rules that require generators sold in those areas to have G.F.C.I. As the regular EU2000i is very popular, Honda created the EB2000i as a compliant model that could be sold there.

-Robert@Honda
Caveat: I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone.