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Perrysburg_Dodg
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As my good friend Fish says....Enjoy!
New 2019 Ram HD
2015 Ram 1500 Laramie Crew Cab SWB 4X4 Ecodiesel GDE Tune.
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stsmark
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Me Again wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:


I also believe the fuel suppliers were forced to improve the quality of their diesel after insurance companies forced them to pay up.

Having said that I have drained some small amounts of water from the water/fuel filter.


According to this recent report, not in the US. Canada has better quality diesel vs the US. Been that way for many years. Canada diesel meets Bosch quality requirements.

https://www.todaystrucking.com/added-value-does-your-diesel-need-a-fuel-additive/


Believe it or not, California mandates 50 Cetane minimum as well.

blofgren
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4bearhug wrote:
ricatic wrote:
Well... I see that after another year passed by...the Bosch CP 4 discussions continue...me...I bought the 2015 Ram and have put 20000 miles on it...very happy with the purchase...the CP 4 is a deal breaker for me so I am twice as happy that I bought the 2015...I see the truck lasting me for years so I have no concerns about what any of the manufacturers do until then...

Glad to be back

Regards


I just wanted to let you know that your experience was the primary reason that I ruled out a F350 when I was looking for a diesel 3500 in 2014-15. I still think a warranty should mean some protection against defective components. Ford seems to feel differently.Glad to hear that you've been happy with your vehicle.


x2 and subsequently bought my truck new in March, 2014. Glad you're happy with your new truck, Ricatic and nice to see you back! ๐Ÿ™‚
2013 Ram 3500 Megacab DRW Laramie 4x4, 6.7L Cummins, G56, 3.73, Maximum Steel, black lthr, B&W RVK3670 hitch, Retrax, Linex, and a bunch of options incl. cargo camera
2008 Corsair Excella Platinum 34.5 CKTS fifth wheel with winter package & disc brakes

BigToe
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Yes, Ricatic's experience still reverberates in my mind every time I think about new Fords as well. And there are several other stories and story tellers. The ones that stick in the mind most are the Saul of Tarsus turned Paul the Apostle type of about faces, where the ardent advocates of Ford diesels, who boasted of never having a problem, suddenly get a problem, and don't get any assistance, even when still under warranty. Hell hath no fury like a fanboi scorned.

All brands can occasionally have problems, and all corporations can occasionally demonstrate some resistance to honoring their warranty. But I've read more stories about Ford denying warranty on Ford diesel trucks, particularly with the 6.7L engine, and particularly the fuel system of that engine, than any other corporate entity denying warranty for any other brand of product.

I've purchased more Ford vehicles than any other brand, btw, and currently own seven Fords (some are business vehicles). So my observation above is not biased by a predilection toward, or preference for, a competing brand. It is simply a concern about how Ford is treating customers with CP4.x fuel system failures. I feel fortunate not to be one of them.

4bearhug
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ricatic wrote:
Well... I see that after another year passed by...the Bosch CP 4 discussions continue...me...I bought the 2015 Ram and have put 20000 miles on it...very happy with the purchase...the CP 4 is a deal breaker for me so I am twice as happy that I bought the 2015...I see the truck lasting me for years so I have no concerns about what any of the manufacturers do until then...

Glad to be back

Regards


I just wanted to let you know that your experience was the primary reason that I ruled out a F350 when I was looking for a diesel 3500 in 2014-15. I still think a warranty should mean some protection against defective components. Ford seems to feel differently.Glad to hear that you've been happy with your vehicle.

FishOnOne
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Me Again wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:


I also believe the fuel suppliers were forced to improve the quality of their diesel after insurance companies forced them to pay up.

Having said that I have drained some small amounts of water from the water/fuel filter.


According to this recent report, not in the US. Canada has better quality diesel vs the US. Been that way for many years. Canada diesel meets Bosch quality requirements.

https://www.todaystrucking.com/added-value-does-your-diesel-need-a-fuel-additive/


The insurance companies will have zero influence on lubricity, but I meant the fuel stores and suppliers who allow water to get into the tanks or pump gasoline into a diesel tank. They're the ones that get the bill from the insurance company.

I believe Exxon/Mobil Diesel Efficient fuel is a excellent step in improving fuel quality from an oil company and it doesn't require additives.
'12 Ford Super Duty FX4 ELD CC 6.7 PSD 400HP 800ft/lbs "270k Miles"
'16 Sprinter 319MKS "Wide Body"

Cummins12V98
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ricatic wrote:
Well... I see that after another year passed by...the Bosch CP 4 discussions continue...me...I bought the 2015 Ram and have put 20000 miles on it...very happy with the purchase...the CP 4 is a deal breaker for me so I am twice as happy that I bought the 2015...I see the truck lasting me for years so I have no concerns about what any of the manufacturers do until then...

Glad to be back

Regards


Nice to hear from you!
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

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2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

ricatic
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Well... I see that after another year passed by...the Bosch CP 4 discussions continue...me...I bought the 2015 Ram and have put 20000 miles on it...very happy with the purchase...the CP 4 is a deal breaker for me so I am twice as happy that I bought the 2015...I see the truck lasting me for years so I have no concerns about what any of the manufacturers do until then...

Glad to be back

Regards
Ricatic
Debbie and Savannah the Wonderdachsund
2009 Big Horn 3055RL
2006 Chevrolet Silverado 3500 Dually LTX with the Gold Standard LBZ Engine and Allison Transmission
2011 F350 Lariat SRW CC SB 4WD 6.7 Diesel POS Gone Bye Bye

Bigfoot_affair
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gmcsmoke wrote:
Wild Card wrote:
gmcsmoke wrote:
Wild Card wrote:
gmcsmoke wrote:
Wild Card wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
OK all you knowledgable people WHY have we not heard about CP4.2 pump failures like we used to??????


All mfg have upped the fuel filtration systems. The CP4.2 does not like any moisture. All diesel fuel contains some moisture and contaminants.

Higher pressure pumps simply can not handle contaminated fuel. You cant fix the fuel problem so you must be able to treat the fuel problem.


yeah well what about all the 2011-2013's driving around with OEM filtration for that MY? where's the catastrophic failures?


I am not going to answer it for you but a simple Google search will find your answer.


so you don't know then


No! They have problems. You want me to supply links and verbiage to back it up. I have already done my homework and know the answers. I feel you are in front of a computer and can do your own research and answer your own question.


posting a couple "horror" stories doesn't prove anything other than a few people can make a lot of noise.

so either all fuel makers radically fixed these contaminated fuel issues or the issues weren't as wide spread as some would have you to believe.


Just a few class action lawsuits against Bosch and the CP4, no big deal.

Strange you never hear people talk about the CP3 badly, all you ever hear is how good it is.

gmcsmoke
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Wild Card wrote:
gmcsmoke wrote:
Wild Card wrote:
gmcsmoke wrote:
Wild Card wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
OK all you knowledgable people WHY have we not heard about CP4.2 pump failures like we used to??????


All mfg have upped the fuel filtration systems. The CP4.2 does not like any moisture. All diesel fuel contains some moisture and contaminants.

Higher pressure pumps simply can not handle contaminated fuel. You cant fix the fuel problem so you must be able to treat the fuel problem.


yeah well what about all the 2011-2013's driving around with OEM filtration for that MY? where's the catastrophic failures?


I am not going to answer it for you but a simple Google search will find your answer.


so you don't know then


No! They have problems. You want me to supply links and verbiage to back it up. I have already done my homework and know the answers. I feel you are in front of a computer and can do your own research and answer your own question.


posting a couple "horror" stories doesn't prove anything other than a few people can make a lot of noise.

so either all fuel makers radically fixed these contaminated fuel issues or the issues weren't as wide spread as some would have you to believe.

blofgren
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Me Again wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:


I also believe the fuel suppliers were forced to improve the quality of their diesel after insurance companies forced them to pay up.

Having said that I have drained some small amounts of water from the water/fuel filter.


According to this recent report, not in the US. Canada has better quality diesel vs the US. Been that way for many years. Canada diesel meets Bosch quality requirements.

https://www.todaystrucking.com/added-value-does-your-diesel-need-a-fuel-additive/


I have owned 3 diesel trucks since 1996, have done all of my own maintenance and never seen any trace whatsoever of water in the fuel/water separators in any of them. Saying that, the CP4 failures have occurred here in Canada as well.
2013 Ram 3500 Megacab DRW Laramie 4x4, 6.7L Cummins, G56, 3.73, Maximum Steel, black lthr, B&W RVK3670 hitch, Retrax, Linex, and a bunch of options incl. cargo camera
2008 Corsair Excella Platinum 34.5 CKTS fifth wheel with winter package & disc brakes

Me_Again
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FishOnOne wrote:


I also believe the fuel suppliers were forced to improve the quality of their diesel after insurance companies forced them to pay up.

Having said that I have drained some small amounts of water from the water/fuel filter.


According to this recent report, not in the US. Canada has better quality diesel vs the US. Been that way for many years. Canada diesel meets Bosch quality requirements.

https://www.todaystrucking.com/added-value-does-your-diesel-need-a-fuel-additive/
2021 F150 2.7 Ecoboost - Summer Home 2017 Bighorn 3575el. Can Am Spyder RT-L Chrome, Kawasaki KRX1000. Retired and enjoying it! RIP DW 07-05-2021

FishOnOne
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Wild Card wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
OK all you knowledgable people WHY have we not heard about CP4.2 pump failures like we used to??????


All mfg have upped the fuel filtration systems. The CP4.2 does not like any moisture. All diesel fuel contains some moisture and contaminants.

Higher pressure pumps simply can not handle contaminated fuel. You cant fix the fuel problem so you must be able to treat the fuel problem.


I also believe the fuel suppliers were forced to improve the quality of their diesel after insurance companies forced them to pay up.

Having said that I have drained some small amounts of water from the water/fuel filter.
'12 Ford Super Duty FX4 ELD CC 6.7 PSD 400HP 800ft/lbs "270k Miles"
'16 Sprinter 319MKS "Wide Body"

Wild_Card
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gmcsmoke wrote:
Wild Card wrote:
gmcsmoke wrote:
Wild Card wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
OK all you knowledgable people WHY have we not heard about CP4.2 pump failures like we used to??????


All mfg have upped the fuel filtration systems. The CP4.2 does not like any moisture. All diesel fuel contains some moisture and contaminants.

Higher pressure pumps simply can not handle contaminated fuel. You cant fix the fuel problem so you must be able to treat the fuel problem.


yeah well what about all the 2011-2013's driving around with OEM filtration for that MY? where's the catastrophic failures?


I am not going to answer it for you but a simple Google search will find your answer.


so you don't know then


No! They have problems. You want me to supply links and verbiage to back it up. I have already done my homework and know the answers. I feel you are in front of a computer and can do your own research and answer your own question.
2015 Ram 3500 Dually
Sundowner 2286GM Pro-Grade Toyhauler

Me_Again
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Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
blofgren wrote:
Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Well if you maintain your fuel filter with a quality filter NOT the 3 dollar junk E-Bay/Amazon filters and also buy quality fuel you won't have a problem.

If you are that worried about a CP 4.2 failure than buy a gasser not a diesel. It really is that simple.

Don


Or buy a pre 2019 Cummins 6.7L and forget about the worries......:B


The problem with that is you will need to buy before they are all gone.

Oh and since Troy didn't post it Ram HD a 6.4 Hemi.


Yeah but wait for the 2019 gasser with more gears. The 6 speed Hemi has ratio issues.
2021 F150 2.7 Ecoboost - Summer Home 2017 Bighorn 3575el. Can Am Spyder RT-L Chrome, Kawasaki KRX1000. Retired and enjoying it! RIP DW 07-05-2021

FishOnOne
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Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
blofgren wrote:
Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Well if you maintain your fuel filter with a quality filter NOT the 3 dollar junk E-Bay/Amazon filters and also buy quality fuel you won't have a problem.

If you are that worried about a CP 4.2 failure than buy a gasser not a diesel. It really is that simple.

Don


Or buy a pre 2019 Cummins 6.7L and forget about the worries......:B


The problem with that is you will need to buy before they are all gone.

Oh and since Troy didn't post it Ram HD a 6.4 Hemi.


The new ZF transmission should be a quantifiable improvement.
'12 Ford Super Duty FX4 ELD CC 6.7 PSD 400HP 800ft/lbs "270k Miles"
'16 Sprinter 319MKS "Wide Body"