2020 Ford 7.3L Ike Gauntlet

[ShinerBock]

It did way better than I expected going up.

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[ib516]

librty02 wrote:

ib516 wrote:
My point is the gassers aren't the dogs they used to be.

No they are not that's for sure...

Have they ran a the RAM with the new 8 speed tranny on the IKE yet?

Not yet.

[hellfirehydra]

Very impressive gas engine. Still like my range and diesel pump access!

It definitely makes the gas market much more interesting. With dodge/rams current gas line up I’m sure they will see this as a challenge they have to meet/beat.

[ShinerBock]

ib516 wrote:
My point is the gassers aren't the dogs they used to be.

I agree with that. I was just pointing out that one of the reasons why their times are so close is because of the 60 mph speed limit of the test. The diesels would have been able to easily accelerate passed this at the lower portion of the hill which would have made their time even less.

[noteven]

They were lucky it wasn’t a 7.3 EcoBoost V8 600hp! developing sea level power. It woulda pulled the hitch right off that trailer!

[librty02]

ib516 wrote:
My point is the gassers aren't the dogs they used to be.

No they are not that's for sure...

Have they ran a the RAM with the new 8 speed tranny on the IKE yet?

[ib516]

My point is the gassers aren't the dogs they used to be.

[ShinerBock]

4x4ord wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

4x4ord wrote:


The run is only 7.6 miles long. The average incline is a 5.3 % grade with the top part being steeper. Godzilla averaged 52.4 mph. The Duamax ran full throttle pulling 30k at about 38 mph average speed. The math works out that it only developed an average of 341 hp at the crank during that run. Godzilla had to develop nearly identical HP to pull 16 k up at 52.4 mph.

Plotting from the sign on the on ramp in Silverthorne that they use as a starting point to the traffic lights at the top at the tunnel that they use as the end is more than 7.6 miles. Also, we are not talking about the 30k lb trailer runs the diesels made. We are talking about the 16k trailer runs that Fish posted earlier in his usual attempts to throw dirt on other brands. What I am trying to tell him is that even the new Powerstroke would have a similar 8:XX time because the test is limited to 60 mph.

How far is it 7.7? The point I'm making is that there wasnt a whole lot of extra power on tap because the Duramax only produced 341 hp with wide open throttle in the 30k test. Do you think, based on these test results, that the Duramax would out pull a 7.3 gas engine towing 16 k lbs at a more typical 3000 -5000 ft elevation.

It is almost 7.9 miles based on Google maps and it starts at 8,835 ft and ends at 11,135 ft. So the best possible time a truck can get is 7:54 seconds IF it starts out the run at 60 mph and stayed there the whole way. This is not the case and it takes some time to move a truck towing 16k from 20 to 60 mph up an incline above 8,000 ft altitude.

And yes I think the Duramax would still outrun the 7.3L at 3,000-5,000 ft because the engine will make more power than it does on the Ike. As I stated in another thread, the power an engine makes is not static and is always changing depending on many external conditions and engine design. Not to mention the gearing and trans programming also makes a huge difference in how well the engine can stay within it's power band.

[4x4ord]

ShinerBock wrote:

4x4ord wrote:


The run is only 7.6 miles long. The average incline is a 5.3 % grade with the top part being steeper. Godzilla averaged 52.4 mph. The Duamax ran full throttle pulling 30k at about 38 mph average speed. The math works out that it only developed an average of 341 hp at the crank during that run. Godzilla had to develop nearly identical HP to pull 16 k up at 52.4 mph.

Plotting from the sign on the on ramp in Silverthorne that they use as a starting point to the traffic lights at the top at the tunnel that they use as the end is more than 7.6 miles. Also, we are not talking about the 30k lb trailer runs the diesels made. We are talking about the 16k trailer runs that Fish posted earlier in his usual attempts to throw dirt on other brands. What I am trying to tell him is that even the new Powerstroke would have a similar 8:XX time because the test is limited to 60 mph.

How far is it 7.7? The point I'm making is that there wasnt a whole lot of extra power on tap because the Duramax only produced 341 hp with wide open throttle in the 30k test. Do you think, based on these test results, that the Duramax would out pull a 7.3 gas engine towing 16 k lbs at a more typical 3000 -5000 ft elevation.

[ShinerBock]

4x4ord wrote:


The run is only 7.6 miles long. The average incline is a 5.3 % grade with the top part being steeper. Godzilla averaged 52.4 mph. The Duamax ran full throttle pulling 30k at about 38 mph average speed. The math works out that it only developed an average of 341 hp at the crank during that run. Godzilla had to develop nearly identical HP to pull 16 k up at 52.4 mph.

Plotting from the sign on the on ramp in Silverthorne that they use as a starting point to the traffic lights at the top at the tunnel that they use as the end is more than 7.6 miles. Also, we are not talking about the 30k lb trailer runs the diesels made. We are talking about the 16k trailer runs that Fish posted earlier in his usual attempts to throw dirt on other brands. What I am trying to tell him is that even the new Powerstroke would have a similar 8:XX time because the test is limited to 60 mph.

[4x4ord]

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

ib516 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
I think the real news is the Ford 7.3 gas performed almost as well in the up hill pull test compared to the Ram 3500 cummins and the Chevy 3500 Duramax pulling the same load. And the during the Ford pull they had to back off the throttle for a little bit so the time could have been less.

Here's the pull times in ascending order:
Duramax: 8:24
Cummins: 8:25
7.3L Godzilla: 8:42

Link

So much for the "you gotta get a diesel!" crowd. Save 10k and get a 7.3L Ford gasser haha. The times would be even closer if it wasn't a test at 11,000 ft of elevation where the non-turbo gasser is losing hp.

Yeah, but if they set the max speed of the test to 70 mph or even 65 mph then those times for the diesels would be a lot less. However, since they limit it to 60 mph mow, you are not going to make a more perfect run than a little over 8 minutes.

Both gas and diesel trucks hit 60 mph and they had to let off the throttle so I doubt the diesel times would have been significantly less.

You might want to look at that video again because the 7.3L starts loosing speed half way up the hill and he clearly says he has it to the floor.

Nor can you extrapolate the diesels on how long they could go partial throttle. Still don't think it would be significant.

But I can say that even the new 2020 Powerstroke would also have almost identical 8 minute plus as the Ram and GM in this test since they limit the speed to 60 mph. It is 8 mile test and the truck would have to start out at 60 mph and stay at 60 mph to get a perfect 8 minute run. These trucks do not start out doing 60 mph so it is impossible to get a perfect 8 minute run unless this new Powerstroke can magically go from 20 mph to 60 mph in less than a second towing 16k on an incline at over 5,000 ft above see level.

The run is only 7.6 miles long. The average incline is a 5.3 % grade with the top part being steeper. Godzilla averaged 52.4 mph. The Duamax ran full throttle pulling 30k at about 38 mph average speed. The math works out that it only developed an average of 341 hp at the crank during that run. Godzilla had to develop nearly identical HP to pull 16 k up at 52.4 mph.

[time2roll]

danrclem wrote:
I'd love to have one but my 6.2 does a good job.

+1
My old 5.4 will still get me over that hill 😉

[ShinerBock]

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

ib516 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
I think the real news is the Ford 7.3 gas performed almost as well in the up hill pull test compared to the Ram 3500 cummins and the Chevy 3500 Duramax pulling the same load. And the during the Ford pull they had to back off the throttle for a little bit so the time could have been less.

Here's the pull times in ascending order:
Duramax: 8:24
Cummins: 8:25
7.3L Godzilla: 8:42

Link

So much for the "you gotta get a diesel!" crowd. Save 10k and get a 7.3L Ford gasser haha. The times would be even closer if it wasn't a test at 11,000 ft of elevation where the non-turbo gasser is losing hp.

Yeah, but if they set the max speed of the test to 70 mph or even 65 mph then those times for the diesels would be a lot less. However, since they limit it to 60 mph mow, you are not going to make a more perfect run than a little over 8 minutes.

Both gas and diesel trucks hit 60 mph and they had to let off the throttle so I doubt the diesel times would have been significantly less.

You might want to look at that video again because the 7.3L starts loosing speed half way up the hill and he clearly says he has it to the floor.

Nor can you extrapolate the diesels on how long they could go partial throttle. Still don't think it would be significant.

But I can say that even the new 2020 Powerstroke would also have almost identical 8 minute plus as the Ram and GM in this test since they limit the speed to 60 mph. It is 8 mile test and the truck would have to start out at 60 mph and stay at 60 mph to get a perfect 8 minute run. These trucks do not start out doing 60 mph so it is impossible to get a perfect 8 minute run unless this new Powerstroke can magically go from 20 mph to 60 mph in less than a second towing 16k on an incline at over 5,000 ft above see level.

[FishOnOne]

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

ib516 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
I think the real news is the Ford 7.3 gas performed almost as well in the up hill pull test compared to the Ram 3500 cummins and the Chevy 3500 Duramax pulling the same load. And the during the Ford pull they had to back off the throttle for a little bit so the time could have been less.

Here's the pull times in ascending order:
Duramax: 8:24
Cummins: 8:25
7.3L Godzilla: 8:42

Link

So much for the "you gotta get a diesel!" crowd. Save 10k and get a 7.3L Ford gasser haha. The times would be even closer if it wasn't a test at 11,000 ft of elevation where the non-turbo gasser is losing hp.

Yeah, but if they set the max speed of the test to 70 mph or even 65 mph then those times for the diesels would be a lot less. However, since they limit it to 60 mph mow, you are not going to make a more perfect run than a little over 8 minutes.

Both gas and diesel trucks hit 60 mph and they had to let off the throttle so I doubt the diesel times would have been significantly less.

You might want to look at that video again because the 7.3L starts loosing speed half way up the hill and he clearly says he has it to the floor.

Nor can you extrapolate the diesels on how long they could go partial throttle. Still don't think it would be significant.

[ShinerBock]

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

ib516 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
I think the real news is the Ford 7.3 gas performed almost as well in the up hill pull test compared to the Ram 3500 cummins and the Chevy 3500 Duramax pulling the same load. And the during the Ford pull they had to back off the throttle for a little bit so the time could have been less.

Here's the pull times in ascending order:
Duramax: 8:24
Cummins: 8:25
7.3L Godzilla: 8:42

Link

So much for the "you gotta get a diesel!" crowd. Save 10k and get a 7.3L Ford gasser haha. The times would be even closer if it wasn't a test at 11,000 ft of elevation where the non-turbo gasser is losing hp.

Yeah, but if they set the max speed of the test to 70 mph or even 65 mph then those times for the diesels would be a lot less. However, since they limit it to 60 mph mow, you are not going to make a more perfect run than a little over 8 minutes.

Both gas and diesel trucks hit 60 mph and they had to let off the throttle so I doubt the diesel times would have been significantly less.

You might want to look at that video again because the 7.3L starts loosing speed half way up the hill and he clearly says he has it to the floor.

[FishOnOne]

ib516 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
I think the real news is the Ford 7.3 gas performed almost as well in the up hill pull test compared to the Ram 3500 cummins and the Chevy 3500 Duramax pulling the same load. And the during the Ford pull they had to back off the throttle for a little bit so the time could have been less.

Here's the pull times in ascending order:
Duramax: 8:24
Cummins: 8:25
7.3L Godzilla: 8:42

Link

So much for the "you gotta get a diesel!" crowd. Save 10k and get a 7.3L Ford gasser haha. The times would be even closer if it wasn't a test at 11,000 ft of elevation where the non-turbo gasser is losing hp.

Yeah... At this weight I think the diesels have met their match.