Appreciation of new new Diesel power.

[FireGuard]

I’m not trying to make a statement or say that the newer trucks are better, but I had a pretty good comparison today.
My 21’ Ragen TH is probably around 7k lbs empty and tows like a rock.
With my HO Ram Cummins I’m not going to say I can’t even feel it, but I never feel I’m lacking power and actually have to back off on the throttle a lot.
Today, I used my buddy’s 01 Ford 250 with stock 7.3 Powerstroke to tow the trailer from Van Nuys up I-5 over the Grapevine to Frazier Park.
It towed well and was stable but I had my foot in it most of the way and 47 mph up the Grapevine was all I could get.
With 250 Hp this engine was pretty impressive back in 01.
With my Ram I can accelerate up the hill and could probably crest at 70 mph. And the exhaust brake is amazing.
The older trucks have the advantage of simplicity and reliability, but the new trucks are towing machines.
I know you can mod the 7.3 and probably get more power but the new ones tow sooo effortlessly.
Again, I’m not saying one is better or worse, just different.

[Cummins12V98]

Edd505 wrote:

BB_TX wrote:
Had a 2007 F350 with the 6.0 that I thought towed my 35' high profile 5er really well. Until I traded it for a 2012 F350 with the 6.7. Amazing difference in those two. And the 2018 6.7 has even more power.

And I have had no problems with either in spite of all the new emissions stuff on them.

I went from the 7.3 to a 6.0 and went wow what a difference! Now you say the 6.7 is even better, honey we need to go to the dealer.

True, just make sure the 6.7 has a CP3 pushing it's fuel!

[Edd505]

BB_TX wrote:
Had a 2007 F350 with the 6.0 that I thought towed my 35' high profile 5er really well. Until I traded it for a 2012 F350 with the 6.7. Amazing difference in those two. And the 2018 6.7 has even more power.

And I have had no problems with either in spite of all the new emissions stuff on them.

I went from the 7.3 to a 6.0 and went wow what a difference! Now you say the 6.7 is even better, honey we need to go to the dealer.

[Cummins12V98]

marcsbigfoot20b27 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

FireGuard wrote:

marcsbigfoot20b27 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"Still makes 400/800 on the hot tune."

Claim or fact? You ever had it on a Dyno?

Claim.

Stock is 250hp/500ft lbs

Added Banks Stinger Plus system, (includes exhaust system with quick spool turbo housing, big head wastegate, tune chip, etc) Fact —- 80 hp 147 ft lbs according to Banks.

Then added Ford AIS high flow intake and blue fuel pressure spring (claim 10hp/20ft lbs) Riffraff billet impeller ( claim/fact 20hp/40ft lbs), PHP Hydra 16 position tune (claim/fact 140hp/280 ft lbs)

Just adding stock 250 + 140+20+10 since the Banks tune chip module removed

So yes it’s a claim and yes it’s fast. I do lift for the 1-2 shift as I want to keep the stock trans from exploding. I only tow with the 80 hp tow tune.
And of course that’s all at the crank.

I think you’re being very optimistic by adding several individual mods and think you will get the advertised increased power of each one for a unrealistic total output.
I’ve never heard of a stock Ford transmission holding up to 400/800. At least not for very long.

That's why I asked. I did the banks PowerPack on my 98 12V Cummins at the 100K mark. It did add power but NOT what they CLAIM. I did run the hell out of it as it was fun and toasted the trans. I was planning on doing a DDT built trans anyway. It was so cooked it barely made it up on the trailer to take in for the rebuild!

Yeah the stupid Banks chip does not control the trans, they add another stand alone module called transcommand. It was either junk or not working when I got the truck because it was the worst shifting sloppy trans I’ve felt in a long time.
It would have blown up a long time ago had I not ditched the Banks stinger chip and went with the PHP Hydra which totally changed the trans for the better.

My 98 was a 12 valve with no computer controlling the engine or transmission. Old school!

[marcsbigfoot20b]

Cummins12V98 wrote:

FireGuard wrote:

marcsbigfoot20b27 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"Still makes 400/800 on the hot tune."

Claim or fact? You ever had it on a Dyno?

Claim.

Stock is 250hp/500ft lbs

Added Banks Stinger Plus system, (includes exhaust system with quick spool turbo housing, big head wastegate, tune chip, etc) Fact —- 80 hp 147 ft lbs according to Banks.

Then added Ford AIS high flow intake and blue fuel pressure spring (claim 10hp/20ft lbs) Riffraff billet impeller ( claim/fact 20hp/40ft lbs), PHP Hydra 16 position tune (claim/fact 140hp/280 ft lbs)

Just adding stock 250 + 140+20+10 since the Banks tune chip module removed

So yes it’s a claim and yes it’s fast. I do lift for the 1-2 shift as I want to keep the stock trans from exploding. I only tow with the 80 hp tow tune.
And of course that’s all at the crank.

I think you’re being very optimistic by adding several individual mods and think you will get the advertised increased power of each one for a unrealistic total output.
I’ve never heard of a stock Ford transmission holding up to 400/800. At least not for very long.

That's why I asked. I did the banks PowerPack on my 98 12V Cummins at the 100K mark. It did add power but NOT what they CLAIM. I did run the hell out of it as it was fun and toasted the trans. I was planning on doing a DDT built trans anyway. It was so cooked it barely made it up on the trailer to take in for the rebuild!

Yeah the stupid Banks chip does not control the trans, they add another stand alone module called transcommand. It was either junk or not working when I got the truck because it was the worst shifting sloppy trans I’ve felt in a long time.
It would have blown up a long time ago had I not ditched the Banks stinger chip and went with the PHP Hydra which totally changed the trans for the better.

[Cummins12V98]

FireGuard wrote:

marcsbigfoot20b27 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"Still makes 400/800 on the hot tune."

Claim or fact? You ever had it on a Dyno?

Claim.

Stock is 250hp/500ft lbs

Added Banks Stinger Plus system, (includes exhaust system with quick spool turbo housing, big head wastegate, tune chip, etc) Fact —- 80 hp 147 ft lbs according to Banks.

Then added Ford AIS high flow intake and blue fuel pressure spring (claim 10hp/20ft lbs) Riffraff billet impeller ( claim/fact 20hp/40ft lbs), PHP Hydra 16 position tune (claim/fact 140hp/280 ft lbs)

Just adding stock 250 + 140+20+10 since the Banks tune chip module removed

So yes it’s a claim and yes it’s fast. I do lift for the 1-2 shift as I want to keep the stock trans from exploding. I only tow with the 80 hp tow tune.
And of course that’s all at the crank.

I think you’re being very optimistic by adding several individual mods and think you will get the advertised increased power of each one for a unrealistic total output.
I’ve never heard of a stock Ford transmission holding up to 400/800. At least not for very long.

That's why I asked. I did the banks PowerPack on my 98 12V Cummins at the 100K mark. It did add power but NOT what they CLAIM. I did run the hell out of it as it was fun and toasted the trans. I was planning on doing a DDT built trans anyway. It was so cooked it barely made it up on the trailer to take in for the rebuild!

[Bedlam]

I'm hoping that the next inevitable round of emission restrictions will bring in the diesel electric road vehicle. A narrow band tuned diesel providing electrical power to energy banks and electric motors could result in reduced emissions with better performance and range than what is currently on the market. The pieces are already mature for plug in hybrids and this would take it one step further where the engine is no longer providing direct motive power.

[ShinerBock]

mkirsch wrote:
I see this over and over in the thread, "Very few have problems," or similar statements.

That's "very few" not NONE or even almost none. Some people don't want to take the chance of being one of those "very few."

Besides if you're going by that measure, the 6.0L Powerstroke was a great engine. Very few had problems. More than some other engines yes but by comparison to the number of units on the road, "very few."

Need I mention the Bosch CP4? How many tens of thousands of those are still out there waiting for a drop of water to sneak past the water separator?

What happens when the next round of emissions regulations get put in place? New technology will need to be created and the end user gets to be the beta tester.

There isn't anymore diesel emission regulations scheduled in the near future. What is scheduled is tougher fuel mileage requirements. Direct injected gas engines on the other hand might be getting particulate filters on them in the near future due to how much PM they emit. They are the new "dirty engine".

[mkirsch]

I see this over and over in the thread, "Very few have problems," or similar statements.

That's "very few" not NONE or even almost none. Some people don't want to take the chance of being one of those "very few."

Besides if you're going by that measure, the 6.0L Powerstroke was a great engine. Very few had problems. More than some other engines yes but by comparison to the number of units on the road, "very few."

Need I mention the Bosch CP4? How many tens of thousands of those are still out there waiting for a drop of water to sneak past the water separator?

What happens when the next round of emissions regulations get put in place? New technology will need to be created and the end user gets to be the beta tester.

[marcsbigfoot20b]

FireGuard wrote:

marcsbigfoot20b27 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"Still makes 400/800 on the hot tune."

Claim or fact? You ever had it on a Dyno?

Claim.

Stock is 250hp/500ft lbs

Added Banks Stinger Plus system, (includes exhaust system with quick spool turbo housing, big head wastegate, tune chip, etc) Fact —- 80 hp 147 ft lbs according to Banks.

Then added Ford AIS high flow intake and blue fuel pressure spring (claim 10hp/20ft lbs) Riffraff billet impeller ( claim/fact 20hp/40ft lbs), PHP Hydra 16 position tune (claim/fact 140hp/280 ft lbs)

Just adding stock 250 + 140+20+10 since the Banks tune chip module removed

So yes it’s a claim and yes it’s fast. I do lift for the 1-2 shift as I want to keep the stock trans from exploding. I only tow with the 80 hp tow tune.
And of course that’s all at the crank.

I think you’re being very optimistic by adding several individual mods and think you will get the advertised increased power of each one for a unrealistic total output.
I’ve never heard of a stock Ford transmission holding up to 400/800. At least not for very long.

Without a dyno I have no idea the exact number! Anyone know where I can dyno a dually diesel in Phoenix?

If you take multiple bolt ons that each have a proven dyno numbers for each part and add 4 or 5 on the same engine, then you will most likely exceed the sum as they compliment each other.

Case in point......just a cam that makes +70 hp by itself, an intake that makes 20 by itself and headers that make 30 by themselves. With tuning you may make more than the sum of 120hp if all are installed together, maybe 140hp.

[marcsbigfoot20b]

That would probably be what, 330-340 rwhp on a dyno with a long bed dually?

[FireGuard]

marcsbigfoot20b27 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"Still makes 400/800 on the hot tune."

Claim or fact? You ever had it on a Dyno?

Claim.

Stock is 250hp/500ft lbs

Added Banks Stinger Plus system, (includes exhaust system with quick spool turbo housing, big head wastegate, tune chip, etc) Fact —- 80 hp 147 ft lbs according to Banks.

Then added Ford AIS high flow intake and blue fuel pressure spring (claim 10hp/20ft lbs) Riffraff billet impeller ( claim/fact 20hp/40ft lbs), PHP Hydra 16 position tune (claim/fact 140hp/280 ft lbs)

Just adding stock 250 + 140+20+10 since the Banks tune chip module removed

So yes it’s a claim and yes it’s fast. I do lift for the 1-2 shift as I want to keep the stock trans from exploding. I only tow with the 80 hp tow tune.
And of course that’s all at the crank.

I think you’re being very optimistic by adding several individual mods and think you will get the advertised increased power of each one for a unrealistic total output.
I’ve never heard of a stock Ford transmission holding up to 400/800. At least not for very long.

[ShinerBock]

From my experiences, 30 or 50 over injectors are also a must to get the 7.3L to 400 rwhp.

[marcsbigfoot20b]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"Still makes 400/800 on the hot tune."

Claim or fact? You ever had it on a Dyno?

Claim.

Stock is 250hp/500ft lbs

Added Banks Stinger Plus system, (includes exhaust system with quick spool turbo housing, big head wastegate, tune chip, etc) Fact —- 80 hp 147 ft lbs according to Banks.

Then added Ford AIS high flow intake and blue fuel pressure spring (claim 10hp/20ft lbs) Riffraff billet impeller ( claim/fact 20hp/40ft lbs), PHP Hydra 16 position tune (claim/fact 140hp/280 ft lbs)

Just adding stock 250 + 140+20+10 since the Banks tune chip module removed

So yes it’s a claim and yes it’s fast. I do lift for the 1-2 shift as I want to keep the stock trans from exploding. I only tow with the 80 hp tow tune.
And of course that’s all at the crank.

[Cummins12V98]

"Still makes 400/800 on the hot tune."

Claim or fact? You ever had it on a Dyno?