Cost of EV Batteries

[Fisherman]

Caught this earlier today which may tend to sway some buyers and I suspect it won't end there. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/09/ford-increasing-price-of-electric-f-150-lightning-.html
In addition if you want to go extended, Starting at $54,669 with the standard battery, opting for the Extended Range Battery adds $19,500—

[Cptnvideo]

2oldman wrote:

Cptnvideo wrote:
I wouldn't consider an EV until range is vastly increased and charge time is vastly decreased.

350kw chargers can do the job in 10-15 minutes, if your battery can take it. They're getting better. Level 2 chargers work on campground 50a service.

Our range is 656 miles - towing our 42' 5th wheel. :C

[2oldman]

Cptnvideo wrote:
I wouldn't consider an EV until range is vastly increased and charge time is vastly decreased.

350kw chargers can do the job in 10-15 minutes, if your battery can take it. They're getting better. Level 2 chargers work on campground 50a service.

[Cptnvideo]

We're fulltimers towing a 5th wheel - so an EV is out of the question.
But even if we weren't fulltime, I wouldn't consider an EV until range is vastly increased and charge time is vastly decreased.

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8.1 Van wrote:




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The mining for EV battery material is the new gold rush.

This epitomizes my point on ecological impact. Mining, mining mining. How is this in any way green? There's no part of mining that's green. Ruining natural habitat, stripping foliage for runoff, trees converting CO2 to O2, caustic runoff in rivers, the list goes on. First we criticize mining for oil and now we applaud mining for minerals for EV's? Someone please tell me what's green in the manufacture of EV's and their lifecycle without falling back on tailpipe emissions.

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spoon059 wrote:

time2roll wrote:
Jeff will never live the same life as most of us. I still give credit to making an effort through his company.

Let me know when an oil company executive goes above and beyond what is required to reduce pollution.

If you think that anyone is making electric vehicles to "reduce pollution" than you have been brainwashed. It is about increasing profit. Musk saw a chance to corner a market and make cash money. It isn't about being more Green or Earth friendly... it's only about making the almighty dollar. I promise you that batteries and EV aren't nearly as Green as you may want to believe...

My comment lost it's context talking about yachts and private jets. Everyone has their own motivation.

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pianotuna wrote:
Bezo is doing it because they are 3 times cheaper to run. Nothing altruistic about that, but it is great news.

Yes and yet people drive miles out of their way to save a few pennies on gasoline or diesel.
Then blame it on Bezos 😉

[spoon059]

time2roll wrote:
Jeff will never live the same life as most of us. I still give credit to making an effort through his company.

Let me know when an oil company executive goes above and beyond what is required to reduce pollution.

If you think that anyone is making electric vehicles to "reduce pollution" than you have been brainwashed. It is about increasing profit. Musk saw a chance to corner a market and make cash money. It isn't about being more Green or Earth friendly... it's only about making the almighty dollar. I promise you that batteries and EV aren't nearly as Green as you may want to believe...

[pianotuna]

Bezo is doing it because they are 3 times cheaper to run. Nothing altruistic about that, but it is great news.

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Latner wrote:

time2roll wrote:
rivian-electric-van-impresses-amazon-delivery-drivers/

That's great! Leaves more fossil fuels for Bezos's mega yacht and bazillionaire lifestyle. This is the problem I have with this whole "ram the EV's down our throat" "new green deal" movement. Until I see them (meaning the powers that be) practicing what they preach, I'm not playing. Not to be outdone, John Kerry is probably taking his private jet as we speak to go and order a bigger yacht.

Jeff will never live the same life as most of us. I still give credit to making an effort through his company.

Let me know when an oil company executive goes above and beyond what is required to reduce pollution.

[8_1_Van]

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The mining for EV battery material is the new gold rush.

[Latner]

time2roll wrote:
rivian-electric-van-impresses-amazon-delivery-drivers/

That's great! Leaves more fossil fuels for Bezos's mega yacht and bazillionaire lifestyle. This is the problem I have with this whole "ram the EV's down our throat" "new green deal" movement. Until I see them (meaning the powers that be) practicing what they preach, I'm not playing. Not to be outdone, John Kerry is probably taking his private jet as we speak to go and order a bigger yacht.

[2oldman]

time2roll wrote:
Most likely I would recommend avoiding an EV unless home charging is available.

Home charging is much preferable when your car is at home 99% of the time.

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NamMedevac 70 wrote:
Time2Roll 8.1VAN tell that to Barry Sullivan at CNBC and their poll also said 17% of EV owners will buy a gasser for next purchase. so add 53 to 17 and that sounds like 70% to me.

I have read the same. Context is most of the people switching back have no at home charging. They were stuck using only public charging. Most likely I would recommend avoiding an EV unless home charging is available.

[pianotuna]

NamMedevac 70 wrote:
Time2Roll 8.1VAN tell that to Barry Sullivan at CNBC and their poll also said 17% of EV owners will buy a gasser for next purchase. so add 53 to 17 and that sounds like 70% to me. Also most EV owners also have a gasser auto or truck. Of the 300 million autos in USA only 1% are EVs. I only posted what he said on his news cast as I really don't give a rats*** about it one way or the other.

The fanatics about EV don't care for one little bit of negative news about EVs such as lack of charging stations, broken charge stations, poorly performing charge stations (except Tesla), etc. etc. Still 20 years away from a nation wide massive EV infrastructure. Cheers to you bubba Joe and I will view no more snarky comments thank you.

Here is an article that may be of interest. It is from 2016 but is scholarly.

It appears ev sales, in 2020, at least in Canada, were 150% more than the study predicted.

Musk predicted and achieved 1/2 million EV sales in 2020.

As to charging stations, most ev charging is done at home. Unless you are Amish--one has the potential to have a charging station.

https://www.cesarnet.ca/publications/cesar-scenarios/potential-impact-electric-vehicles-alberta-s-en...

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NamMedevac 70 wrote:
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The fanatics about EV don't care for one little bit of negative news about EVs such as lack of charging stations, broken charge stations, poorly performing charge stations (except Tesla), etc. etc. Still 20 years away from a nation wide massive EV infrastructure. Cheers to you bubba Joe and I will view no more snarky comments thank you.

From what I can tell they don't care about how un-green they are either. EV's are neat but personally I don't see the upside. Sure they perform smooth with great acceleration, quiet etc. But there are so many concessions that tip the scale into the "why bother" column. The big push by companies, advocates and our government is they are green. They aren't. It's a lie. If you took the "saving the planet" tagline out of the push, what do they offer to offset these concessions?

on edit - seems they are great for the economy too. Ford just announced that it's cutting 3,000 employees due to the switch to EV's.

Ford cuts