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Sep-05-2015 04:31 PM
MegaWonder wrote:Gdetrailer wrote:Big Katuna wrote:
Check out energy prices for PA on this website.
clicky
Sorry, those rates are only showing the ELECTRIC GENERATION COST, PERIOD. It does not include ALL of the other CHARGES and costs and taxes..
The generation rate IS THE CHEAP PART OF THE BILL.
You can not compare of make a good judgement by using those numbers.
As I stated and you have SEEN my numbers the ACTUAL electric bill IS costing me $.31 to $.35 PER Kwh. That is a long way away from using that website info at $.08 per Kwh!
Comparing the generation rate cost is apples to oranges and does not reflect the real and true cost of your electric bill.
When comparing an electric car to gas and the energy costs associated you need to take the ENTIRE ELECTRIC BILL Kwh cost, not the generation cost. Tells a more realistic story.
When you buy a gallon of gas you ARE PAYING state road taxes, Federal road excise taxes. Take those taxes away (IE ignore the taxes) and you will find an electric car IS many times more expensive to operate.
Gas/diesel unlike all other items is priced AT THE PUMP WITH THOSE TAXES FIGURED IN.
Anything else you buy the tax is not included in the price and is added on at the end of the sale.. Your electric bill does not include road taxes but it IS taxed after all the other charges are added to the bill.
Hi Gdtrailer,
I do not see how I am kidding myself on the fact that we are saving (in our case) work commuting cost over our 19mpg/20mpg gas vehicle. I admit i could be wrong but I am not seeing it could you enlighten me?
Our electric service is PSE&G. https://www.pseg.com/info/environment/ev/rlm-rs_rates.jsp
Our electric vehicle has been averaging 4.5 to 4.9 miles KwH during a 500 mile work week commute.
Looking at OUR electric bill I see a service charge $2.43 (this charge would be regardless if we have EV or not. Looking at break down of charges per Kwh and looking at the highest portion I see the following: Distribution Charges $0.067041588 and Supply $0.133809524 I see no other disclosure of any extra charges/taxes etc.
So can I take these 2 highest display charges add them together and get $0.200851112 Kwh charge?
Take that number and multiply how many Kwh I need to use to go 500 miles which would be at the lower efficiency 111.11111 Kwh? = aprox $22.32 to go 500 miles? *** But factor in the work per of charging 9 hrs a day at the nice rate and very appreciative of $0 So OUR electric bill is a heck of a lot less FOR US not kidding myself LOL.
To compare to our 19mpg..even at say 20mpg our gas vehicle..to go 500miles/20mpg=25gallons gas.
25gallons at even a low jersey rate of TODAYS RATE WAWa $2.00 (gasoline was over $2.50 gallon last year when we got EV) TODAY would cost us $50 per week.
Now add in the maintance oil filter changes 3k/5k @ $20 to $32 ..tire rotations 6k/7k @ $25/$30 ,Tranny flush 25k service ($120) more brake wear..and other ICE vehicle related issues.
Yes I guess I am kidding myself in OUR SITUATION.
Sep-05-2015 02:56 PM
Gdetrailer wrote:Big Katuna wrote:
Check out energy prices for PA on this website.
clicky
Sorry, those rates are only showing the ELECTRIC GENERATION COST, PERIOD. It does not include ALL of the other CHARGES and costs and taxes..
The generation rate IS THE CHEAP PART OF THE BILL.
You can not compare of make a good judgement by using those numbers.
As I stated and you have SEEN my numbers the ACTUAL electric bill IS costing me $.31 to $.35 PER Kwh. That is a long way away from using that website info at $.08 per Kwh!
Comparing the generation rate cost is apples to oranges and does not reflect the real and true cost of your electric bill.
When comparing an electric car to gas and the energy costs associated you need to take the ENTIRE ELECTRIC BILL Kwh cost, not the generation cost. Tells a more realistic story.
When you buy a gallon of gas you ARE PAYING state road taxes, Federal road excise taxes. Take those taxes away (IE ignore the taxes) and you will find an electric car IS many times more expensive to operate.
Gas/diesel unlike all other items is priced AT THE PUMP WITH THOSE TAXES FIGURED IN.
Anything else you buy the tax is not included in the price and is added on at the end of the sale.. Your electric bill does not include road taxes but it IS taxed after all the other charges are added to the bill.
Sep-05-2015 12:02 PM
Big Katuna wrote:
Check out energy prices for PA on this website.
clicky
Sep-05-2015 11:07 AM
Sep-05-2015 10:30 AM
Gdetrailer wrote:MegaWonder wrote:
So far the WORSE case scenario for our situation is not too bad as far as electric goes. We pay $.12 (I adjust for delivery to $ .18 per Kwh)
Only have 18Kw available of the 20Kw for use of the battery pack. So worse case charging every day a full 18Kw (which we do not..some is split up at work place) $3.24 per 18Kw gives 82/85mile range +-..Our electric bill only seem to have gone up $85/$90.. traveling aprox 500 per week.
Glad it works for us too..big plus is the charge at the work place perk. 🙂
Here is a page from our bill tracking for this year..
If you are only counting the cost per kw of electric and not the total bill you are only kidding yourself.
Electric in my area with all the separate charges plus taxes is costing $.31-$.35 per Kwh used.. 18 Kwh would for one vehicle would easily add $6.30 (perhaps a bit more since some of the charges varies and goes up with the more Kwh you use) per day..
That would mean just for ONE vehicle my electric bill would easily jump by $189 per month..
Multiply by 2 and that is $378 per month..
But note, since my electric cost goes UP per Kwh used that $378 is a very low estimate.. If I was to guess it would be closer to $450..
As I mentioned, I am spending about $400 per month on gas... So no savings to be had with an electric vehicle..
And I am on a LOW cost electric company.. I know folks who are on REA (AKA Rural Electric Association Co Op) and they pay COMMERCIAL RATES for residential power.. The Co Op was created from the Rural Electrification Act from back in the early 1900s, Co Ops buy the power at commercial rates add to that the service charges and resell power to the folks living off the main roads.
Electric cars are all smoke and mirrors to make you "feel good".
As far as electric charging stations, none in my area.. I understand the PA Turnpike has been considering it, but nothing as of yet..
Heck even where I work at, there is NO power outlets on the outside of the building, NONE.. Convincing companies to spend money on power outlets is going to be a real hard sell..
In PA Companies pay COMMERCIAL power rates, commercial power rates are TWICE to THREE times MORE than residential rates.. I suspect many other states are the same way so even if my company put in a power station it will cost me three to four times more than my home (companies will charge higher rates to recoup the cost of charging station PLUS the electric cost)..
Sep-05-2015 10:21 AM
MegaWonder wrote:
So far the WORSE case scenario for our situation is not too bad as far as electric goes. We pay $.12 (I adjust for delivery to $ .18 per Kwh)
Only have 18Kw available of the 20Kw for use of the battery pack. So worse case charging every day a full 18Kw (which we do not..some is split up at work place) $3.24 per 18Kw gives 82/85mile range +-..Our electric bill only seem to have gone up $85/$90.. traveling aprox 500 per week.
Glad it works for us too..big plus is the charge at the work place perk. 🙂
Sep-04-2015 08:55 PM
BenK wrote:
Check your city garages...many are now installing charging stations....some are
even 'quick' charging stations.
Plus, some have not catch on to put a pay station and are freebies both for the
electricity and parking...for now...
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