Diesel vs gas......................

[blt2ski]

OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"! So if all of you would put in you BEST, no flaming reasons for going gas vs diesel, pro and con, I will either leave your thread, or copy and paste pertinant info to the 4 posts of pro and con of diesel or gas. This can include the GM 8.1 vs Dmax or Ford V-8/10 vs PSD etc too.

Be real and honest in you answers, not hear say, flaming etc PLEASE!

If posts are good ones, I will leave, if inflamatory or trolling in nature, they will be deleted! I will get this stick'd to the top for future parusing for those that need this type of info.

Added 6-23-04

We are getting closer to answers I am looking for etc.

Stuff like Ken's - T-Bone posts are good. There are a few others of you that have not posted, some with a 9 point question and answer type to figure out how you went with one or the other. If you are one of those, PLEASE repost in this thread. I may have to look up whom has done this and PM you, but if you think this is you, you now know what to do.

Also, for those of you with $ per gallon for either fuel right now, I would prefer to see a post with ...."in my area, diesel is typically .10 less than unleaded" then explain your numbers. As currently in the Seattle area, diesel and unleaded are any where from 2.05 -2.30 per gallon, with mid test .10 more and premium about .20 more, with equal high low splits. Two weeks ago those prices were upwards of .30 -.40 per gallon more. people were posting $ per gallon that were for me. "I wish" If someone is reading your post a year from now, they may want to know where your paying 1.65, when the price of fuel is over $3 per gallon. Let's keep prices out of it if possible.

Bert and tin tipi, got into a good discusion on the pros and cons of RPM's, drive train etc. I would prefer to NOT see the quote of the other in responding threads, maybe just write a quick wording of re tranny gearing, instead of the whole 40 words or so in that paragragh, so the repsonse is shorter if possible quicker and easier to read etc.

I have deleted some 15+/- posts, that were off topic etc. Please note, I am trying to keep this at the top, as the ONLY gas/diesel thread in this area. So if one is trying to decide, we do not have to go thru this BS any more. As such, I will be deleting ANY future posts close to resembling this type of topic. I may have to change "this" title to a better one, if one has a better sounding title, to be more positive, better claification, let me know here, or in a PM/e-mail, what ever you feel most comfortible with.

Again thank you for all of you that are keeping responses positive, etc.

Also we could use a few more positive reasons to go gas, as many can see I have both gas and diesel, both have a place! Both have positive reasons to buy that fuel, lets keep the threads etc to that purpose only!

Marty

[Retired_nuke_ET]

We get it 8.1, that with that gas hog of yours you need to stop all the time and fill up so you are always looking to find the cheapest gas and mapping it out to make sure there are enough stations along the way so you don't run out. That you have to scrimp and save every penny in order to afford all of that gas so you are very grateful for your new Shell card because with the large amount of gas that you have to buy to feed that beast, Shell gives you back money for keeping up the national demand for oil.

(I thought you never paid for gas, you had all these passengers who paid for the gas for you?)

I bet the folks on dial-up or who have a metered pay-per-byte internet access appreciate the little images you keep posting.

[Slowmover]

8.1 Van wrote:

'68Monaco440HP wrote:
I bought my diesel used. I paid less than book price and have spent next to nothing on it (nor does it need much of anything), YET I am happy to spend whatever it needs (which is sooner than the book recommendations). Diesels are cheap to own.

My last pickup truck was gasoline, and low on power. Fuel economy was poor.

With this truck ALL MILES, this calendar year (no towing, and only a few trips past city limit) have averaged 19.3 mpg. That's all the runs to the hardware store, barbershop, what-have-you. No big vehicle I've owned has ever done so well.

So long as diesel is less than 50-cents more expensive than gasoline, then my fuel economy costs are the same or lower than a comparable truck. I seriously doubt the gas version would do as well on economy in town driving.

In Corpus Christi, Texas the cheapest diesel cost $3.20 and the cheapest gas is $1.94 ($1.26 difference) so that is about 65% more for diesel.

My last truck was a half-ton, and averaged 11 mpg in town (not the comparison I indicated above), and this truck I have now is cheaper to run, even at the prices you quoted. BUt that's only fuel, the gas truck needs more maintenance in overall, long-term costs. And since the gas motor will deteriorate faster in engine perfomance, the diesel is still cheaper.

[8_1_Van]

I have a new Shell Mastercard that gives 10% off on gas for the first 60 days and 5% after that so on our trip to Myrtle Beach SC saturday I will be paying alot less for gas.

[DLUNA1]

I paid $2.69 for diesel this morning in Granada Hills. What a relief.

[Ram4Sam]

Hey 8.1, look at things on my side of the world...

Last week, six cents less, this week 12 cents...where will it end!

Sam

[Ace_]

Very true, a diesel shines at elevation (turbo diesel).

[blt2ski]

And in the end, buy what makes sense/cents for your useage! That is why 2 of my trucks are diesel, and one is gas, and I will admit, and wishing one of the diesels was a gas SB! Still, it depends upon where you drive, pull, how many miles a yr etc, as to what make financial sense/cents.

In the end, it is not worth arguing over that part. Yes, at 10K' elevation a gasser is gutless, unless it has some sort of supercharger or turbo.......then again, a diesel is just as gut less unless it too has a turbo..........

Anyway, off to work.

marty

[Ace_]

But the OP did want to include the difference, like price for diesel is $0.90 higher than gas, so you have to include prices if you're going to explain, as the OP requested.

[scottz]

8.1 Van wrote:

Right, a Diesel vs gas forum should not have any posts on diesel vs gas prices because diesel owners don't like that.:R

To quote the OP

blt2ski wrote:

Let's keep prices out of it if possible.

[Ace_]

Actually, I haven't filled up for a week or so, but did notice that the lowest fuel prices near me are:
Gas: $2.47
Diesel: $3.35

Those are the prices nearest MY commute, so before anyone gets bent out of shape, your mileage may vary, your prices may be different, I don't know and I'm not telling you to buy a gas, diesel or hybrid. All I am saying is diesel is a little over 35% higher than gas on MY commute. If you want to drive around, the lowest diesel fuel price is $3.23 in the same city I live in, so it's only 31% cheaper if you're willing to drive further to get it.

[8_1_Van]

Gas $1.899 , diesel $3.179



Reg Unl Gas $1.76 !

[Ace_]

That's cheap gas! I had a friend that had the 7.3L and told me a gasser couldn't pull the loads he could because gassers didn't have enough torque. Then I did the research and found out the gasser I wanted, 6.8L, actually had more real wheel torque than his 7.3L, so I bought one. He then bought the 6.0L and pulls his trailer the same places I do, and he *****es about his mileage because he gets *almost* 20% better mileage towing. But he's happy having a diesel, and I'm happy, so it all works out when we're sitting around the campfire. Now that gas is so much cheaper than diesel (around here) he still tells me a gas truck just can't do the same job a diesel can, and I shrug my shoulders and say, "see you at camp" (him with the same trailer only his 7.3L had the power to pull).

[8_1_Van]

'68Monaco440HP wrote:
I bought my diesel used. I paid less than book price and have spent next to nothing on it (nor does it need much of anything), YET I am happy to spend whatever it needs (which is sooner than the book recommendations). Diesels are cheap to own.

My last pickup truck was gasoline, and low on power. Fuel economy was poor.

With this truck ALL MILES, this calendar year (no towing, and only a few trips past city limit) have averaged 19.3 mpg. That's all the runs to the hardware store, barbershop, what-have-you. No big vehicle I've owned has ever done so well.

So long as diesel is less than 50-cents more expensive than gasoline, then my fuel economy costs are the same or lower than a comparable truck. I seriously doubt the gas version would do as well on economy in town driving.

In Corpus Christi, Texas the cheapest diesel cost $3.20 and the cheapest gas is $1.94 ($1.26 difference) so that is about 65% more for diesel.

[Slowmover]

I bought my diesel used. I paid less than book price and have spent next to nothing on it (nor does it need much of anything), YET I am happy to spend whatever it needs (which is sooner than the book recommendations). Diesels are cheap to own.

My last pickup truck was gasoline, and low on power. Fuel economy was poor.

With this truck ALL MILES, this calendar year (no towing, and only a few trips past city limit) have averaged 19.3 mpg. That's all the runs to the hardware store, barbershop, what-have-you. No big vehicle I've owned has ever done so well.

So long as diesel is less than 50-cents more expensive than gasoline, then my fuel economy costs are the same or lower than a comparable truck. I seriously doubt the gas version would do as well on economy in town driving.

[Ace_]

Rvndave and bluenote. My post was what it was. It wasn't inflammatory, it wasn't something to be read into. It was just exactly what was posted. If you're upset about it, too bad, it still is what it is. I have experience with Ford trucks (older Dodges too), so I posted about Ford trucks. If you have experiences that differ, post them, but don't get bent out of shape because of the facts, they just plain "are". Your Chevy is different than any Ford I've owned, which is probably because it isn't a Ford, so don't read into my post about Ford trucks that I'm being inflammatory about your Chevy, and the "power" numbers I posted can be backed up with research, or a dyno. Go get the trucks (that I posted about) together and see for yourself.

Who's making claims or being suggestive, like, "The power difference is like night and day." What does that mean? Any "facts" or objective information to back up the claim, or is it just a "seat of the pants" feeling you get? You can't crunch the numbers any way you want, because there is only one way and it's torque, multiplied by drivetrain (transmission, differential).

Maybe you guys should step back and read the post(s), not into them.