Diesel vs gas......................

[blt2ski]

OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"! So if all of you would put in you BEST, no flaming reasons for going gas vs diesel, pro and con, I will either leave your thread, or copy and paste pertinant info to the 4 posts of pro and con of diesel or gas. This can include the GM 8.1 vs Dmax or Ford V-8/10 vs PSD etc too.

Be real and honest in you answers, not hear say, flaming etc PLEASE!

If posts are good ones, I will leave, if inflamatory or trolling in nature, they will be deleted! I will get this stick'd to the top for future parusing for those that need this type of info.

Added 6-23-04

We are getting closer to answers I am looking for etc.

Stuff like Ken's - T-Bone posts are good. There are a few others of you that have not posted, some with a 9 point question and answer type to figure out how you went with one or the other. If you are one of those, PLEASE repost in this thread. I may have to look up whom has done this and PM you, but if you think this is you, you now know what to do.

Also, for those of you with $ per gallon for either fuel right now, I would prefer to see a post with ...."in my area, diesel is typically .10 less than unleaded" then explain your numbers. As currently in the Seattle area, diesel and unleaded are any where from 2.05 -2.30 per gallon, with mid test .10 more and premium about .20 more, with equal high low splits. Two weeks ago those prices were upwards of .30 -.40 per gallon more. people were posting $ per gallon that were for me. "I wish" If someone is reading your post a year from now, they may want to know where your paying 1.65, when the price of fuel is over $3 per gallon. Let's keep prices out of it if possible.

Bert and tin tipi, got into a good discusion on the pros and cons of RPM's, drive train etc. I would prefer to NOT see the quote of the other in responding threads, maybe just write a quick wording of re tranny gearing, instead of the whole 40 words or so in that paragragh, so the repsonse is shorter if possible quicker and easier to read etc.

I have deleted some 15+/- posts, that were off topic etc. Please note, I am trying to keep this at the top, as the ONLY gas/diesel thread in this area. So if one is trying to decide, we do not have to go thru this BS any more. As such, I will be deleting ANY future posts close to resembling this type of topic. I may have to change "this" title to a better one, if one has a better sounding title, to be more positive, better claification, let me know here, or in a PM/e-mail, what ever you feel most comfortible with.

Again thank you for all of you that are keeping responses positive, etc.

Also we could use a few more positive reasons to go gas, as many can see I have both gas and diesel, both have a place! Both have positive reasons to buy that fuel, lets keep the threads etc to that purpose only!

Marty

[Jumbo_Cranium]

LOL, that's the best you can come up with after you post several quotes from a forum that only reports what ONE guy claims after he says he drove them both, but didn't actually do any timed tests. HAHAHAHA

You made the claim that the 8.1 would blow the doors off any stock D'max, why don't you find some data to prove it instead of blowing smoke like you always do?

By the way, getting beat by 6/10 of a second at 85 mph is almost 75 feet. Now who got their doors blown off?

[8_1_Van]

Right, some comparison. Show me Edmunds vs Edmunds.

[Jumbo_Cranium]

8.1 Van wrote:

Jarlaxle wrote:
OK, what part of "the Duramax didn't just best the 8100, but TROUNCED it, in every timed acceleration test, empty and loaded" do you not understand?

BS, show me the link. A stock 8.1 pickup will always blow the doors off a stock Duramax in the 1/4 mile.

Here ya go.

Duramax 1/4 mile time slip

1/4 mile at 16.4 and 85 mph.

This truck was stock except for the tuner which was set to "economy" mode

There is another timeslip on this site for a stock D'max that ran a 16.393 at 81.39 mph.

It's a pity this site didnt have any 8.1 truck time slips but I found this one from Edmunds.

8.1 3/4 ton truck 1/4 mile

Down at the bottom of the page, 1/4 mile 17.0 at 83.9. Not bad but getting beat by 6/10 of a second in the quarter is pretty much gettin smoked.

[8_1_Van]

Madhatter1 wrote:
ponie and 8.1, You both know that for hauling a big load that diesel is the best choice for both fuel economy and power. It may not be the best choice if you don't tow a lot of miles per year or drive a lot of miles per year. Gas is for low mileage guys and diesel is for high mileage guys. There are NO BIG TRUCKS RUNNING GAS !!!!!!!!!! We don't care about your test up a short hill in your back yard or about how how you save fuel by not driving your 8.1. There are real people on this forum looking for some info on how to make the best decision FOR THEM!!!! Forget your own agenga and lend them some real unbiased info if you have it and leave it at that. I am a DIESEL DUALLY DRIVER for my own needs, If another driver has a lighter load and runs gas or a SRW Then that is his/hers decision. Gas or SRW can make good sense depending on load and miles driven. If I drove 2K miles a year towing and another 15K normal driving a GASSER would be in my driveway. You guys do more harm than good with your overly biased opinions. Trash me if it makes you feel better, but respond kindly to those who differ from your opinion. Hey, what if we could see eye to eye and help those who come to a forum like this needing help!!!

You must be new here, I made over 13,000 posts and not once did I say a gas engine is better than a diesel for heavy towing. Look at at all 13,000 posts of 8.1 Van and PSD Excursion. I did the math and selling my 8-seat 2003 6.0 PSD for $24,500 last fall and replacing it with a much larger 12 seat extended 3500 8.1 van in March for $7,900 was the best move I made ever. I would have purchased a 12 passenger 3500 extended Duramax Van if I could have purchased one for under $8,000 but I don't thing GM ever built one and even if they did I am sure they would want alot more for it.

[Madhatter1]

ponie and 8.1, You both know that for hauling a big load that diesel is the best choice for both fuel economy and power. It may not be the best choice if you don't tow a lot of miles per year or drive a lot of miles per year. Gas is for low mileage guys and diesel is for high mileage guys. There are NO BIG TRUCKS RUNNING GAS !!!!!!!!!! We don't care about your test up a short hill in your back yard or about how how you save fuel by not driving your 8.1. There are real people on this forum looking for some info on how to make the best decision FOR THEM!!!! Forget your own agenga and lend them some real unbiased info if you have it and leave it at that. I am a DIESEL DUALLY DRIVER for my own needs, If another driver has a lighter load and runs gas or a SRW Then that is his/hers decision. Gas or SRW can make good sense depending on load and miles driven. If I drove 2K miles a year towing and another 15K normal driving a GASSER would be in my driveway. You guys do more harm than good with your overly biased opinions. Trash me if it makes you feel better, but respond kindly to those who differ from your opinion. Hey, what if we could see eye to eye and help those who come to a forum like this needing help!!!

[ponie]

Thanks Jumbo.

See guys thats all it takes. Now with the thousands of diesels out their, would someone less than 1600 miles away respond to my my meeting place outside of Warren PA.

Thanks

[Jumbo_Cranium]

ponie wrote:

Jumbo Cranium wrote:

ponie wrote:
Like I said, I can sling slander online with the best, but most wife beating, child abusing rednecks grow out of that phase. This is not my first Rodeo so just be careful with your threats. All this forum smack stops when I get face to face with the posters.

Mighty big talk for such a little horse.

Hey Jumbo, I knew the Rodeo referance would catch your eye. I have not paid much attention, but I don't think your talking smack.

Looks like no one stepping up to come out and meet me here in PA so maybe we can get together this fall over in Kerrville or Fredricksburgh TX. Not much for long hills on the 4 lane that I found in that area. You offered so whacha got?

If I am still in the same truck (which is looking likley at this point)I will look forward to comparing performance.

Now read my above post, discribe your truck and pick the place. I will get to you in the fall and I will follow up.

Any takers to come out to Warren PA??

Sure, I'd like to meet you for a test, I'm sure we can find a good mile long grade in the 6 to 7% range close by there. That should be good enough for your test, loser buys lunch. I dont know for sure if I can make it, but I'm always up for a trip to the hill country.

My truck is an 06 Dodge with the 5.9 Cummins, 6 speed manual and 3.73 gears. If we cant find a 4 lane hill, I'm sure we can find a 2 lane and use a timer.

[8_1_Van]

"I have owned both the duramax and the 8.1. I had a 03 4500 with the duramax and after 226,00 miles I went through 2 engines, 3 injector jobs, and weeks of down time. Fuel additives, oil changes, and fuel filters that cost alot more then the gas engine. I now have a 05 3/4 ton with the 8.1 and 4.10 gears. I know that these are different trucks but my highway mileage is the same at 15 empty, and when towing the duramax gave me 9-10 and the 8.1 gives me 7-11 depending on what I'm towing. After 187,00 miles I have replaced one fuel pump on the 8.1. The verdict is still out as far as the new duramax offered now. The dealer I deal with is a medium duty dealer and he suggested the 8.1 when I was having problems with my duramax. They said that the trucks that they service with the 8.1 usually have over 500,000 miles on them with no major problems. On the 4500 the 8.1 has a warranty of 2 years unlimited mileage and the duramax has 100,000 miles or 5 years. Even GM can tell you which engine is more reliable by their warranty. But my opinion is that the 8.1 is a more reliable engine then the diesel and cheaper to maintain and buy. But GM has really screwed up by not offering it in their new trucks. Now if you really want to tow something heavy you have the choice of a diesel and that's all unless you go to the 4500. GM is throwing all their money in the diesel market and I think that's a big mistake because everyone doesn't want a diesel. But then again GM usually does a good job of screwing things up for the consumer."
8.1 or duramax

[ponie]

Jumbo Cranium wrote:

ponie wrote:
Like I said, I can sling slander online with the best, but most wife beating, child abusing rednecks grow out of that phase. This is not my first Rodeo so just be careful with your threats. All this forum smack stops when I get face to face with the posters.

Mighty big talk for such a little horse.

Hey Jumbo, I knew the Rodeo referance would catch your eye. I have not paid much attention, but I don't think your talking smack.

Looks like no one stepping up to come out and meet me here in PA so maybe we can get together this fall over in Kerrville or Fredricksburgh TX. Not much for long hills on the 4 lane that I found in that area. You offered so whacha got?

If I am still in the same truck (which is looking likley at this point)I will look forward to comparing performance.

Now read my above post, discribe your truck and pick the place. I will get to you in the fall and I will follow up.

Any takers to come out to Warren PA??

[8_1_Van]

Jarlaxle wrote:
OK, what part of "the Duramax didn't just best the 8100, but TROUNCED it, in every timed acceleration test, empty and loaded" do you not understand?

BS, show me the link. A stock 8.1 pickup will always blow the doors off a stock Duramax in the 1/4 mile.

[Jumbo_Cranium]

Jarlaxle wrote:
OK, what part of "the Duramax didn't just best the 8100, but TROUNCED it, in every timed acceleration test, empty and loaded" do you not understand?

He prefers some guy who says he test drove both but didn't actually time them or run them through any kind of test over a real test where both trucks perform side by side.

[Jumbo_Cranium]

ponie wrote:
Like I said, I can sling slander online with the best, but most wife beating, child abusing rednecks grow out of that phase. This is not my first Rodeo so just be careful with your threats. All this forum smack stops when I get face to face with the posters.

Mighty big talk for such a little horse.

[Skid_Row_Joe]

Sinced it doesn't get driven but maybe twice a year, and it was probably picked up at auction with high-miles for $4,600.00 or so, it doesn't matter how well the Duramax would perform over a gas-hog that gets 5 - 6 mpg towing.....would be my read on it.

[Jarlaxle]

OK, what part of "the Duramax didn't just best the 8100, but TROUNCED it, in every timed acceleration test, empty and loaded" do you not understand?

[8_1_Van]

Jarlaxle wrote:
Just for the record: a few years ago for their Pickup Truck Of The Year, Four Wheeler tested two otherwise-mechanically-identical (I won't swear the colors and trim were the same) GM 2500HD's...one 8100, one Duramax, both EC/SB 4x4's with Allisons. The Duramax absolutely trounced the 8100 in EVERY acceleration test (1/4 mile was almost a full second difference), empty and loaded, while returning roughly 50% better mileage (D-max returned the group's BEST mileage, 8100, not surprisingly, returned the worst).

I just test drove a 8.1 w/4.10 rear end. (yesterday I test drove a LBZ Duramax).

There's no question about it in my mind. The 8.1 performs much better in everyday driving. It deliver tons of instant acceleration whenever you need it. I couldn't say that about the Duramax.

The 8.1 drove almost like a Corvette. The Duramax was good but I really think it needs a heavy load to prove itself over the 8.1.

8.1 vs Duramax