DRW vs SRW ??

[baggy_pants]

I've been flip floppin like a fish out of water. Don't have the FW yet but pretty sure it's going to be a 3750FL Bighorn (40' x 16,000 lb.) or something similar. We don't plan on running up and down the highway every day, maybe pull it 6 or 8 times a year. I really don't want the hastle of the duelly for daily driving but want to be prepared if plans change. Can I get the job done safely with a SRW? Any advise?

[ib516]

45Ricochet wrote:
I've been hearing curb weights pushing 9k in the new Rams. 7700 is only 300 lbs more than my 06 weighted when new. Must be something in the water up there :B

I'm just going by the sticker.

[taken]

Not calling you out. Just saying I do it and it's all within specs. Current F350 SRW's have about 3k of payload by the scale and Rams have 3500. You mention a lot of additional gear too which you might need to bring but the op could do without or place in his trailer storage to reduce weight on the truck. You also mention having a large family in the tv but the op is looking at what I would call a retirement floor plan that is a two person luxury trailer. I'm guessing it's a him and her situation in the truck. I do agree with you the a DRW gives more flexibility on loading etc. though.

[jerem0621]

taken wrote:
The op never said his pin weight was 4k. It's more likely to be 3k. And like I said, fully loaded and ready to travel, a SRW is close to 8500. So, considering the trucks GVWR is 11.5k or more, completely within spec. So, what I disagree with is everything you wrote.

Yea, 20% of 16,000 is what 3,200 lbs...okay, I was off by 800 lbs. Kudos for calling me out on that. For me and my family that means we would be putting 5,000-5,000 lbs on the truck by the time we are in the truck and stuff is in the bed. There is not many if any SRW made that can handle that kind of weight.

My recommendation for a Dually still stands.

If the OP can get a SRW with 4,000 lbs of payload and keep his hitch, gear, and people under 800 lbs combined then it's workable. Otherwise he may be looking at an overload situation.

Can it be done with a SRW? Yep,

I still recommend a Dually for this load.

Ymmv enjoy your rig you have a very nice one.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

[taken]

The op never said his pin weight was 4k. It's more likely to be 3k. And like I said, fully loaded and ready to travel, a SRW is close to 8500. So, considering the trucks GVWR is 11.5k or more, completely within spec. So, what I disagree with is everything you wrote.

[jerem0621]

taken wrote:

jerem0621 wrote:
New Ram 3500 or Ford F-450....

My 1999 F350 had a GVWR of 11,600 lbs... With just the fam and I in the truck with a full tank of gas we were at 7800 lbs ish.... That's only 3,800 lbs in a CC, LB, GASSER XL Dually.

Is what it is, you could realistically need 6,000-7,000 lbs of payload by the time you add the pin weight and all your stuff.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

I'm not trying to argue with anyone but this is way off the mark. My sig truck is 8500# with my hitch in, my wife/daughter/me in, and a full tank of fuel as per a CAT scale. IE: ready to tow/travel. My GVWR is 11,500 leaving me exactly 3k of payload. My last trailer had a 16k GVWR and was often at that weight loaded. Pin weight was right at 3k so, 100% within payload (GVWR) specs.

That said, this is my truck and trailer. Will the OP be 100% within spec? Don't know. A DRW would ensure he would be without weighing it. Only way to really know is to weigh the combo. However, if he is in spec with a SRW, which he likely would be, I say again that only he can decide if he needs the added stability of a DRW. I certainly didn't feel it was a requirement and never regretted my decision. My new trailer has about the same pin but will have a much heavier GVWR. So, in a couple of years when I trade, I probably will go DRW. Until then I am supremely confident in my little SRW getting the job done without issue. YMMV.

What's off? My 99 Dually was not nearly as capable as your newer truck. My Dually had 3600 ish lbs of payload. The OP says 16,000 lbs loaded trailer, 4000 lbs of pin, 200 lbs of hitch, 200-300 lbs of stuff in the bed, 1000 lbs of family and gear in the cab, I'm quickly at 6000 lbs of needed payload.

Please help me understand what you disagree with? Because I would love to amend my comments.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

[45Ricochet]

I've been hearing curb weights pushing 9k in the new Rams. 7700 is only 300 lbs more than my 06 weighted when new. Must be something in the water up there :B

[Cummins12V98]

45Ricochet wrote:

ib516 wrote:
Depends what model year and make SRW you're looking at. Some new Rams can have 4000# payload.

Show me one big boy:B And no regular cab 6.4 Hemi's please :W 4k payload minus you, your wife, couple of kids, big dog, hitch alone is what 250 lbs, firewood, bedliner, stuff, and etc.
Your payload just got really smaller if you have a 3500 lb pin weight on a SRW truck. Also your going by RAWR which is really only the tire ratings. Even my old DRW has a RAWR of 9700 lbs or so which is almost double the new SRW truck ratings.
Some just hook up and go, others think about it.

Was talking to my Son last night he bought a 15 RAM 3500 SRW rear air Limited Crew with long bed. He wanted to hook up to my Mobile Suites to see how his truck would do. I said it would pop his rear tires. He thought I was full of BS until I said ok your rear axle weighs about 3,400# and my pin is about 5,400#. Also the hitch is 200#+. He then said ok never mind!

[taken]

jerem0621 wrote:
New Ram 3500 or Ford F-450....

My 1999 F350 had a GVWR of 11,600 lbs... With just the fam and I in the truck with a full tank of gas we were at 7800 lbs ish.... That's only 3,800 lbs in a CC, LB, GASSER XL Dually.

Is what it is, you could realistically need 6,000-7,000 lbs of payload by the time you add the pin weight and all your stuff.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

I'm not trying to argue with anyone but this is way off the mark. My sig truck is 8500# with my hitch in, my wife/daughter/me in, and a full tank of fuel as per a CAT scale. IE: ready to tow/travel. My GVWR is 11,500 leaving me exactly 3k of payload. My last trailer had a 16k GVWR and was often at that weight loaded. Pin weight was right at 3k so, 100% within payload (GVWR) specs.

That said, this is my truck and trailer. Will the OP be 100% within spec? Don't know. A DRW would ensure he would be without weighing it. Only way to really know is to weigh the combo. However, if he is in spec with a SRW, which he likely would be, I say again that only he can decide if he needs the added stability of a DRW. I certainly didn't feel it was a requirement and never regretted my decision. My new trailer has about the same pin but will have a much heavier GVWR. So, in a couple of years when I trade, I probably will go DRW. Until then I am supremely confident in my little SRW getting the job done without issue. YMMV.

[ib516]

45Ricochet wrote:

ib516 wrote:
Depends what model year and make SRW you're looking at. Some new Rams can have 4000# payload.

Show me one big boy:B And no regular cab 6.4 Hemi's please :W 4k payload minus you, your wife, couple of kids, big dog, hitch alone is what 250 lbs, firewood, bedliner, stuff, and etc.
Your payload just got really smaller if you have a 3500 lb pin weight on a SRW truck. Also your going by RAWR which is really only the tire ratings. Even my old DRW has a RAWR of 9700 lbs or so which is almost double the new SRW truck ratings.
Some just hook up and go, others think about it.

My buddy has a twin to my truck, except his is a diesel and 3500. 2014 3500 SRW 4x4, Laramie, leather, sunroof, heated and cooled seats, factory spray in liner, Cummins, automatic, crew cab, 6.5' bed. His payload is within 50# of 4000 according to the door sticker (I forget if its just over or just under). The GVWR is 11,700#.

My truck, 7000 curb weight, 10,000 GVWR = 3000 payload
His truck, 7700 curb weight, 11,700 GVWR = 4000 payload

His front GAWR is 6000, rear is 7000. His wheels and tires are the exact same as my truck (18s). My GAWRS are 5500 front and 6500 rear.

Tis true :B

[jerem0621]

New Ram 3500 or Ford F-450....

My 1999 F350 had a GVWR of 11,600 lbs... With just the fam and I in the truck with a full tank of gas we were at 7800 lbs ish.... That's only 3,800 lbs in a CC, LB, GASSER XL Dually.

Is what it is, you could realistically need 6,000-7,000 lbs of payload by the time you add the pin weight and all your stuff.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

[45Ricochet]

ib516 wrote:
Depends what model year and make SRW you're looking at. Some new Rams can have 4000# payload.

Show me one big boy:B And no regular cab 6.4 Hemi's please :W 4k payload minus you, your wife, couple of kids, big dog, hitch alone is what 250 lbs, firewood, bedliner, stuff, and etc.
Your payload just got really smaller if you have a 3500 lb pin weight on a SRW truck. Also your going by RAWR which is really only the tire ratings. Even my old DRW has a RAWR of 9700 lbs or so which is almost double the new SRW truck ratings.
Some just hook up and go, others think about it.

[MackinawMan]

As someone with a SRW, let me say get the dually. Don't get me wrong, our SRW does GREAT for our TT, and would no doubt for good sized 5ers. But you're talking about quite a behemoth there.

[JIMNLIN]

Houston Remodeler wrote:
The tag on my 2014 SRW ram 2500 truck says;

GAWR FRONT 5750 LB
GAWR REAR 6000 LB
GVWR 10,000 LB

Ram gives only the one ton 3500 a SRW designation which is what this thread is about.
Ram doesn't call the 2500 a SRW but like the 1/2 ton is refered to as a single rear wheel truck.

[Houston_Remodel]

The tag on my 2014 SRW ram 2500 truck says;

GAWR FRONT 5750 LB
GAWR REAR 6000 LB
GVWR 10,000 LB

[ib516]

Depends what model year and make SRW you're looking at. Some new Rams can have 4000# payload.