Dually payload??

[ruthiebaby88]

How do I figure a dually payload? I drove one and the sticker inside said the cargo rating is 2482#. Do you multiply x2 since it's a dually?

[covered_wagon]

bighatnohorse wrote:

covered wagon wrote:

arto_wa wrote:
Deduct the weight of the empty truck from the GVWR rating in it's VIN sticker.

Can You can also deduct the weight of the tires, wheels, brake calipers, brake drums/ rotors and axles because those are resting on the pavement, not on the truck? If you want to get even closer you could deduct 1/2 the weight of the drivelines possibly.

You can deduct them. Just don't try to claim a credit for them.
http://www.irs.gov/Credits-&-Deductions

What's her name said I could.

[bighatnohorse]

covered wagon wrote:

arto_wa wrote:
Deduct the weight of the empty truck from the GVWR rating in it's VIN sticker.

Can You can also deduct the weight of the tires, wheels, brake calipers, brake drums/ rotors and axles because those are resting on the pavement, not on the truck? If you want to get even closer you could deduct 1/2 the weight of the drivelines possibly.

You can deduct them. Just don't try to claim a credit for them.
http://www.irs.gov/Credits-&-Deductions

[arto_wa]

covered wagon wrote:

arto_wa wrote:
Deduct the weight of the empty truck from the GVWR rating in it's VIN sticker.

Can You can also deduct the weight of the tires, wheels, brake calipers, brake drums/ rotors and axles because those are resting on the pavement, not on the truck? If you want to get even closer you could deduct 1/2 the weight of the drivelines possibly.

Sure, go ahead!

[arto_wa]

ruthiebaby88 wrote:
In the end I opted for a
$4995 - 2002 Lance 815 (wet weight 1879#) &
$9500 - 2002 Chevy Silverado 2500 SRW (payload per sticker = 2842#)(101k miles)

They are both in great shape and I found them on craigslist. The sellers were both wonderful people and I enjoyed purchasing from them a million times more than at a dealer. I feel like the camper and truck have everything I need and nothing I don't. The camper is tiny, but certainly larger than our tent and has a bathroom and shower. No AC, but we can ad later as needed. The truck has an 8.1L Vortec engine (Allison transmission) which may be more than I need, but I'm sure we'll enjoy it on the hills.

We are cleaning things up and packing and should be out of here in a couple of days.

I was bowled over by the wonderful help I received on the forums - some people even searched the camper/trucks ads and sent me their great finds!

If I meet more truck campers like you when I'm out traveling, I'm sure we'll be loving this sport for years to come.

Happy Camping!

Congratulations - it sounds like a good deal!
I would be interesting to hear how much the loaded weight is?

[covered_wagon]

arto_wa wrote:
Deduct the weight of the empty truck from the GVWR rating in it's VIN sticker.

Can You can also deduct the weight of the tires, wheels, brake calipers, brake drums/ rotors and axles because those are resting on the pavement, not on the truck? If you want to get even closer you could deduct 1/2 the weight of the drivelines possibly.

[nomadictxn]

ruthiebaby88 wrote:
In the end I opted for a
$4995 - 2002 Lance 815 (wet weight 1879#) &
$9500 - 2002 Chevy Silverado 2500 SRW (payload per sticker = 2842#)(101k miles)

They are both in great shape and I found them on craigslist. The sellers were both wonderful people and I enjoyed purchasing from them a million times more than at a dealer. I feel like the camper and truck have everything I need and nothing I don't. The camper is tiny, but certainly larger than our tent and has a bathroom and shower. No AC, but we can ad later as needed. The truck has an 8.1L Vortec engine (Allison transmission) which may be more than I need, but I'm sure we'll enjoy it on the hills.

We are cleaning things up and packing and should be out of here in a couple of days.

I was bowled over by the wonderful help I received on the forums - some people even searched the camper/trucks ads and sent me their great finds!

If I meet more truck campers like you when I'm out traveling, I'm sure we'll be loving this sport for years to come.

Happy Camping!

And after all that, in the end, they stuck to the budget and ended up with a well matched combo!!
Happy Trails Ruthiebaby. Let us know how it goes.
Regards

[bighatnohorse]

bjbear wrote:
. . . I bet a tire cold support many times its rating when not moving. . .

That's a moot point.
What does that have to do with anything?
Pay attention to the printed lower load rating printed on the tire's side wall. Very simple and safe.

[bjbear]

bighatnohorse wrote:

wintersun wrote:
. . . and the tires should handle at least 11,000 lbs. . .

This is a limited truth.
And I'm not sure about that!
It could apply when all four dually rear tires are on a level surface with weight evenly distributed on all four.

All these questions about dually tires running on a curb or not on level ground etc. are moot. I bet if you talked to an engineer engaged in tire design you would find that the reason there is a slightly lower rating on tires when used in dual configuration is just that. Because they are not always evenly loaded. And the ratings have no applicability to being parked or driving at a low speed. They are based on worst conditions of dynamic loading when you are travelling down the road at highway speeds. I bet a tire cold support many times its rating when not moving.

[bighatnohorse]

ruthiebaby88 wrote:
In the end I opted for a
$4995 - 2002 Lance 815 (wet weight 1879#) &
$9500 - 2002 Chevy Silverado 2500 SRW (payload per sticker = 2842#)(101k miles)

They are both in great shape and I found them on craigslist. The sellers were both wonderful people and I enjoyed purchasing from them a million times more than at a dealer. I feel like the camper and truck have everything I need and nothing I don't. The camper is tiny, but certainly larger than our tent and has a bathroom and shower. No AC, but we can ad later as needed. The truck has an 8.1L Vortec engine (Allison transmission) which may be more than I need, but I'm sure we'll enjoy it on the hills.

We are cleaning things up and packing and should be out of here in a couple of days.

I was bowled over by the wonderful help I received on the forums - some people even searched the camper/trucks ads and sent me their great finds!

If I meet more truck campers like you when I'm out traveling, I'm sure we'll be loving this sport for years to come.

Happy Camping!

🙂
Congratulations. . .you really did your homework.
Choosing the camper that is right for oneself is a very, very difficult thing.
Have fun with it and I hope that we hear about your first shake-down trip report.
🙂

[JIMNLIN]

You'll like the 8.1 gasser with its big torque numbers down low in the rpm ranges.

Payload threads on a RV forum are always a hoot with all the guessing/opinions.

Always check with your state size and weight folks on how to find any trucks actual payload. I see your sig says Idaho .....
Idaho.....TITLE 49
MOTOR VEHICLES
CHAPTER 10
WEIGHT, SPEED AND TIRE REGULATIONS
(snip)

49-1001. Allowable gross loads.

(3) In determining the gross weight of a vehicle or the gross weight of any two (2) or more consecutive axles under subsection (1) or (2) or (9) of this section, the total gross weight of the vehicle or combination of vehicles or the gross weight of any two (2) or more consecutive axles shall be the sum of the axle weights.
For the purposes of this chapter the gross weight of a vehicle or the gross weight of any two (2) or more consecutive axles may be determined by accumulatively adding the separate weights of individual axles and tandem axles or groups of axles to determine gross weight.

49-1002. Allowable load per inch width of tire. (1) The maximum allowable load for any vehicle tire operated on any public highway shall not exceed six hundred (600) pounds per inch width of tire and shall not exceed the manufacturer’s load rating, whichever is less.
......................................................................
The axle weights the code is talking about is not the "axle manufactures" numbers as roadside enforcement has no idea what they are or how to get that info. The axle weights are on each trucks certification placard which makes it simple for roadside leo to determine correct axle/tire and gross load for each vehicle.

[ruthiebaby88]

In the end I opted for a
$4995 - 2002 Lance 815 (wet weight 1879#) &
$9500 - 2002 Chevy Silverado 2500 SRW (payload per sticker = 2842#)(101k miles)

They are both in great shape and I found them on craigslist. The sellers were both wonderful people and I enjoyed purchasing from them a million times more than at a dealer. I feel like the camper and truck have everything I need and nothing I don't. The camper is tiny, but certainly larger than our tent and has a bathroom and shower. No AC, but we can ad later as needed. The truck has an 8.1L Vortec engine (Allison transmission) which may be more than I need, but I'm sure we'll enjoy it on the hills.

We are cleaning things up and packing and should be out of here in a couple of days.

I was bowled over by the wonderful help I received on the forums - some people even searched the camper/trucks ads and sent me their great finds!

If I meet more truck campers like you when I'm out traveling, I'm sure we'll be loving this sport for years to come.

Happy Camping!

[Grit_dog]

donn0128 wrote:

bigcitypopo wrote:
Buy a wheelbarrow!!! My Ram 2500 CC short bed has a 2500lbs payload...

Honest numbers? Yea right. More like 1500 pound in real world payload. GVWR minus real world scaled weight is your honest payload, not some mystical numbers you read somewhere.

Ya honest numbers!
Here we go again......
Better get a 3500 if you're gonna haul 2 bags of dog food home!

[bighatnohorse]

arto_wa wrote:

bighatnohorse wrote:

wintersun wrote:
. . . and the tires should handle at least 11,000 lbs. . .

This is a limited truth.
And I'm not sure about that!
It could apply when all four dually rear tires are on a level surface with weight evenly distributed on all four.

According to Michelin: Their LT235/85R16 LRE XPS Traction tires, when in dual configuration (or 4 tires per axle), the maximum axle loading is 11,112 lbs.

Wintersun is absolutely correct!

Correct. For axle loading.
Again, this is misleading when the subject is payload.

You have a dually? Then you know that when the rear tire runs up onto a low curb that the inner tire will be suspended in the air.
At that point, a full payload is unevenly distributed and the limiting factor will be the lowest rated tire.

This is why when someone questions "payload" that axle loading comments are misleading, even when they may be accurate!

[arto_wa]

bighatnohorse wrote:

wintersun wrote:
. . . and the tires should handle at least 11,000 lbs. . .

This is a limited truth.
And I'm not sure about that!
It could apply when all four dually rear tires are on a level surface with weight evenly distributed on all four.

According to Michelin: Their LT235/85R16 LRE XPS Traction tires, when in dual configuration (or 4 tires per axle), the maximum axle loading is 11,112 lbs.

Wintersun is absolutely correct!