โAug-09-2013 02:33 PM
โAug-18-2013 07:42 PM
โAug-18-2013 01:57 PM
โAug-18-2013 01:49 PM
Hybridhunter wrote:
2013 ecoboost F150 LOAD CALCULATION - (Specs from Ford Fleet)
ENG - 3.5
GVWR - 8200
PAYLOAD - 2590 minus 1000#tongue + 500#stuff + 600# ppl = 490# remaining capacity
frGAWR - 3750 - minus 300# (half the passenger wt)- curb = 300# remaining capacity
rrGAWR - 4800 - minus 1K# tongue + 500# junk +300# people +rr curb wt = 513# remaining capacity
frCURB - 3150
rrCURB - 2404
TOTALCURB - 5554
There you haved it folks, 500# payload RESERVE, 513# capacity remaining on the rear axle, 300# remaining on the front. Thats a lot of baloney the OP could carry on top of the trailer, his family, water, generator, and so on.
Happy trails folks, don't believe Mike when the 1/2 ton bashing starts, the F150 is in no way a 1/2 ton. It's actually a consumer 1 ton. (Flame away, but first answer, how many tons is 2590#?)
โAug-18-2013 01:22 PM
โAug-18-2013 01:12 PM
โAug-18-2013 01:08 PM
Mike Up wrote:
your facts are all wrong as I pointed out with references and links. Only a fool would ignore what was right in front of his face. :S
โAug-18-2013 01:01 PM
Hybridhunter wrote:
Gee Mike, you have been proven to be wrong on virtually all points, And deceiving with your "non-facts". You have more what ifs in your post than Chicken Little could dream up.
The F150 HD (which are all long wheelbase models, including the Supercab), has a thicker (.150") frame, as I inferred. It specs out a lot beefier than the standard F150 frame. Care to post the comparable F250 frame specs? Hmmm? The rear 9.75 axle has a rep as super tough. And the CC F150 HD still has a rear axle load capacity of in excess of 2500#, so after connecting the fully loaded trailer, the OP could still add 1500# of stuff people, junk etc, in the box, in the cab, or both.
The trailer the OP mentioned is easily managable, when fully loaded. Tongue weight is a "managed" number, any time you add load. So keeping the tongue weight around 1K,(12.5%) is both feasible, and safe, and gets an appropriate amount of load on the truck, and trailer.
Bottom line, Mike is either deceiving, twisting facts, or inserting opinions as "facts".
โAug-18-2013 01:01 PM
Hybridhunter wrote:
Gee Mike, you have been proven to be wrong on virtually all points, And deceiving with your "non-facts". You have more what ifs in your post than Chicken Little could dream up.
The F150 HD (which are all long wheelbase models, including the Supercab), has a thicker (.150") frame, as I inferred. It specs out a lot beefier than the standard F150 frame. Care to post the comparable F250 frame specs? Hmmm? The rear 9.75 axle has a rep as super tough. And the CC F150 HD still has a rear axle load capacity of in excess of 2500#, so after connecting the fully loaded trailer, the OP could still add 1500# of stuff people, junk etc, in the box, in the cab, or both.
The trailer the OP mentioned is easily managable, when fully loaded. Tongue weight is a "managed" number, any time you add load. So keeping the tongue weight around 1K,(12.5%) is both feasible, and safe, and gets an appropriate amount of load on the truck, and trailer.
Bottom line, Mike is either deceiving, twisting facts, or inserting opinions as "facts".
โAug-18-2013 12:43 PM
โAug-18-2013 10:39 AM
joshuajim wrote:
No, instead of conjecture and speculation, you finally did some real investigation for YOURSELF!
โAug-18-2013 10:29 AM
Mike Up wrote:joshuajim wrote:Mike Up wrote:joshuajim wrote:Mike Up wrote:
BTW, it doesn't have a 20% thicker frame. It's the exact same frame as a standard F150. The difference is heavier duty axles/springs, differentials, wheels, and tires. Axle assemblies and wheel/tires are the only difference and the axles aren't even full floaters like a F250.
Sorry, but the HD payload package used a frame with .150 material. The standard frame is .110 (including the Raptor!) But you're right it's not 20% , it's 36% ๐
Really, where are you pulling these numbers from. Please provide an official link from Ford, not a guess from another Forum or truck website. And we are talking trucks from 2009 - 2013, not older models.
How about actual measure from my 2013 HD Payload package?
Actual
Sorry, that means nothing. No comparison, and how do I even know that's a 2009 - 2013 F150 or even a F150 period. If what you say was true, it would be notated in the HD package specs. It is NOT.
OK, [COLOR=]I did your work for youI did your work for you. And you are right for Extended Cab and Regular Cab trucks. However Crew Cab 157" WB/6.5' bed trucks come standard with a .150 frame rail. That's why it doesn't show the frame upgrade in the HD specs for a Crew Cab truck.Ford Fleet wrote:
(1) 8200-lb. GVWR is included with the optional Heavy-Duty Payload Package and requires either the 5.0L 4V V8 or 3.5L 4V V6 engine. In addition to the equipment listed above, this package also includes Super Engine Cooling, 9-channel oil-to-air auxiliary transmission oil cooler, frame upgrade (.150 rail thickness).
โAug-18-2013 10:13 AM
joshuajim wrote:Mike Up wrote:joshuajim wrote:Mike Up wrote:
BTW, it doesn't have a 20% thicker frame. It's the exact same frame as a standard F150. The difference is heavier duty axles/springs, differentials, wheels, and tires. Axle assemblies and wheel/tires are the only difference and the axles aren't even full floaters like a F250.
Sorry, but the HD payload package used a frame with .150 material. The standard frame is .110 (including the Raptor!) But you're right it's not 20% , it's 36% ๐
Really, where are you pulling these numbers from. Please provide an official link from Ford, not a guess from another Forum or truck website. And we are talking trucks from 2009 - 2013, not older models.
How about actual measure from my 2013 HD Payload package?
Actual
Ford Fleet wrote:Page 87
(1) 8200-lb. GVWR is included with the optional Heavy-Duty Payload Package and requires either the 5.0L 4V V8 or 3.5L 4V V6 engine and 36-gallon fuel tank. In addition to the equipment listed above, this package also includes Super Engine Cooling, 9 channel oil-to-air auxiliary transmission oil cooler, frame upgrade (.150 rail thickness) and 3.73 axle ratio.
โAug-18-2013 09:46 AM
Mike Up wrote:joshuajim wrote:Mike Up wrote:
BTW, it doesn't have a 20% thicker frame. It's the exact same frame as a standard F150. The difference is heavier duty axles/springs, differentials, wheels, and tires. Axle assemblies and wheel/tires are the only difference and the axles aren't even full floaters like a F250.
Sorry, but the HD payload package used a frame with .150 material. The standard frame is .110 (including the Raptor!) But you're right it's not 20% , it's 36% ๐
Really, where are you pulling these numbers from. Please provide an official link from Ford, not a guess from another Forum or truck website. And we are talking trucks from 2009 - 2013, not older models.
โAug-18-2013 09:42 AM
joshuajim wrote:Mike Up wrote:
BTW, it doesn't have a 20% thicker frame. It's the exact same frame as a standard F150. The difference is heavier duty axles/springs, differentials, wheels, and tires. Axle assemblies and wheel/tires are the only difference and the axles aren't even full floaters like a F250.
Sorry, but the HD payload package used a frame with .150 material. The standard frame is .110 (including the Raptor!) But you're right it's not 20% , it's 36% ๐