Give them somewhat of a break

[samhain7]

I am posting this here because it is one of the few forums I look at.

I see a lot of critical reviews of people and their choice of trailer or TV and the research they do. I only ask that we give them a break.
I did a little experiment and went to two different Dodge dealerships and spoke with a multitude of people. Neither of which gave me the correct information. I positioned myself as a CURRENT truck owner who was curious about it's capabilities, so no one can say they were just trying to make a sale. Either way of all the people I spoke to, I got 90% incorrect information. The last guy even told me that tongue weight does not decrease from the payload. I saw calculators, papers, pamphlets...everything...they all really went out of their way to help, just didn't get much right. I spurned a lot of conversations in offices between sales guys, managers and service dept while I was there. Still, not a lot of correct information.
Even on this forum, there was a recent conversation on the ratings which caused confusion.
So, when people say research things, it isn't always that easy. Some people expect "experts" to be able to give them accurate information.
If I were a consumer, I believe that I did everything right by going to two different dealers, going to the trailer dealer, looking on websites..etc. It still doesn't mean that you will get a proper hook up. Even I was mis-lead somewhat and will be towing a bit over weight this summer, until next year when I can afford a new truck (I ain't made of money).
So for now, I drive careful, kept the trips short this year and will be just fine.
So I guess the point is, we should give those people a bit of a break, after all, we are here to "help" each other right?

[APT]

samhain7 wrote:
Actually, I thought I was contributing something positive to the forum. I realize now I have done the opposite.
I accept responsibility for that too!

Haha! We can be good for turning good intentions around!

[doxiluvr]

I really have nothing to say about the original post, but I do think the poster from Wisconsin was way off base on his comments about salespeople being untrustable as a group. There are good, ethical, truthful and knowledgeable salespeople out there. I happen to be married to one. For him to say all salesmen are bad is like saying all of a particular brand of trailers are no good, just because maybe somebody had some problems with them.

[samhain7]

Actually, I thought I was contributing something positive to the forum. I realize now I have done the opposite.
I accept responsibility for that too!

[jaycocreek]

Another way of saying it is sometimes you will be dangerous and sometimes not? How do you pick when and how much is an acceptable risk?

That's a great question. Just what is dangerous in your opinion?

As an example:
Is a 2012 Dodge 3500 dually with a GVWR of 11,500 pounds packing the smallest truck camper Arctic Fox makes, dangerous?

[beemerphile1]

samhain7 wrote:
...I was mis-lead somewhat and will be towing a bit over weight this summer, until next year when I can afford a new truck...So for now, I drive careful, kept the trips short this year and will be just fine....

So, are you saying it is only dangerous if you are more than X miles from home? But you are not dangerous if you are less than X miles from home? I think your logic is faulty.

samhain7 wrote:
...Will I be over weight, sometimes. Sometimes not....

Another way of saying it is sometimes you will be dangerous and sometimes not? How do you pick when and how much is an acceptable risk?

I don't know anything about your rig and am mostly poking fun. However you admitted you are overweight aaaannnndddd you started this discussion.

The only person I hold responsible for my decisions, is me!

[samhain7]

2012Coleman wrote:
I'm wondering if he could explain WHY it was fine... Call him back and post that - not saying it's not fine, but its kind of funny that its what one would want to be told. Did he give you the payload on that 1500 with the big heavy diesel motor? I'm not impressed.

For $h1ts and giggles I called back.
Got the original salesmen who said, the diesel was better in case I was towing the BC Canada (I live in Ontario Canada!!), the diesel is better for high elevations. After explaining I have NO intention of visiting the other half of the country in my TT, he then said the OWNER asked to pass onto me that these trucks can pull up to 10,000 lbs....
Even the dealership owner has no clue about a payload sticker...

[samhain7]

Simple. I didn't just go and buy and then look around.
I made a choice based on what I read and researched. Will I be over weight, sometimes. Sometimes not.
Once again, my point it that people who make a mistake need to be taught and explained the right way. Not lectured. I am not trying to make anyone defensive, or confused or anything. It was simply an observation. Are you possibly suggesting because I could sometimes be overweight that I didn't do any research?

[westend]

samhain7 wrote:
Also wanted to add, that I am not one of those people. I did all my research prior to my purchase. I only went to visit these dealers as an experiment.

samhain7 wrote:
Even I was mis-lead somewhat and will be towing a bit over weight this summer, until next year when I can afford a new truck (I ain't made of money).

I'm getting confused.

[2012Coleman]

samhain7 wrote:
UPDATE:

Seems my snooping around has gotten some more attention...
Unprovoked, I just had the OWNER of the one of the dealerships call me.
He also said, my truck trailer combo is fine. BUT, added if I wanted additional, a 1500 diesel would be perfect! Now, I have not seen one yet, but from what I am reading here, the diesel is not rated for as much as my truck! This is the dealership OWNER!!!
Also wanted to add, that I am not one of those people. I did all my research prior to my purchase. I only went to visit these dealers as an experiment.

I'm wondering if he could explain WHY it was fine... Call him back and post that - not saying it's not fine, but its kind of funny that its what one would want to be told. Did he give you the payload on that 1500 with the big heavy diesel motor? I'm not impressed.

[samhain7]

UPDATE:

Seems my snooping around has gotten some more attention...
Unprovoked, I just had the OWNER of the one of the dealerships call me.
He also said, my truck trailer combo is fine. BUT, added if I wanted additional, a 1500 diesel would be perfect! Now, I have not seen one yet, but from what I am reading here, the diesel is not rated for as much as my truck! This is the dealership OWNER!!!
Also wanted to add, that I am not one of those people. I did all my research prior to my purchase. I only went to visit these dealers as an experiment.

[rbpru]

I do have a bit of sympathy for those who think the board is a bit harsh. I must admit when I was buying my TV, I thought I was informed.

I poured over the specs, had more than enough tongue weight with a WD hitch, had plenty of horse power, was well within the combined vehicle weight and etc.

The one thing I never thought of was the Max Cargo limit. But at 1411 lbs. it seemed like a piece of cake; until I added a truck cap, two adults and a dog, tools and the tongue weight of a TT full of goodies. Suddenly I am within 100 lbs. of my limit.

I have never had an issue and the rig handles fine; but I can see how easy it is to purchase a TT that is too big.

So, I tend to cut these folks a bit of slack.

[jaycocreek]

IMO constant whining/bashing Rv/car/truck sales folks is way over done as it accomplishes nothing.

Exactly. Time after time like a broken record.

Like all truck sales or trailer sales people are idiots. Maybe to you in your area, but that statement is wrong.

Commenting rudely on a subject you have never done or attempted only because you have read about it is even wronger.(is that a word):B

It's like every trailer manufacturer is wrong/every truck manufacturer/every salesman is wrong and the only thing that is right is what is said here by whomever and snottily.



My feeling is if you haven't done it, don't comment on it or guess about it and lump all trailers/truck ratings into one category with phony percentages that are generic at best.

Yes the new guys do need a break from the grumpy no-it-alls!

[samhain7]

What I am saying is there are sifferent types of people. That some people TRY to make the right choice. To fund out they made a mistake. Some people believe not all salesmen don't care if you are injured as long as they make the sale.
Then there are those that ignore the warnings.

[2012Coleman]

A responsible person who is using this forum with an open mind to help determine the capibilities of their current TV, or if their desired TT requires something different doesn't need to be cut any breaks.

There are people who do however, with statements such as "You should be OK" or rant at the so called weight police and proclaim that the poster can do anything they want to. They will also say that adding air bags is a solution to those who obviously have an 8000 lb dry weight TT on order with a 6 year old F150 to tow it with.

Are those the types of breaks you are talking about? :h

It's not abusive to tell someone the truth - espicially when they come to this forum seeking answers. If they don't like the answers they get here, then perhaps they shoould visit the forum talked about in the post above.

If you believe TT or TV salesman have any knowlege of the product they are selling, then you don't need a break - you need something way different. The only number a salesman can calculate is commission percentage.

[JIMNLIN]

I frequent several different types of forums. Some are moderated loosly like RV.net and some very tight when it comes to rude type comments. One website is a great place to find info from folks looking to help has a posted policy that says;

This forum has a zero tolerance policy in regard to abusing new users. You are not permitted to criticize, ridicule, patronize, talk condescendingly or suspiciously question anyone asking for help in this forum.

Anyone violating this rule will not receive a warning, they will receive a full infraction. As the infractions build up you will lose the ability to post.

This needs to be a welcoming, friendly forum with good attitudes.

If you cannot follow these guidelines then I urge you to stay out of this forum. Thanks for your cooperation!

IMO constant whining/bashing Rv/car/truck sales folks is way over done as it accomplishes nothing.