More For The Gear Heads - Charger

[FishOnOne]

A very good looking car and 22 mpg to boot!

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[FishOnOne]

rjstractor wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
Perhaps some exotic V6 super charged engines... Unless these 6 cylinder cars are low 12 second they would have fell victoms.

Are you quite sure of that? I did a little quick research and according to Wikipedia a 1970 Superbird with the 426 Hemi ran a 1/4 in 14.3 at 104 mph. Car and Driver tested a 2012 V6 Toyota Camry that ran the 1/4 in 14.3 at 101. The new Mustangs are running high 12s, low 13s.

The old muscle cars were a lot of things, but not faster than today's cars.

I was referring to my Chevelle and not the other muscle cars.

On a side note Sunday I got to sit in a brand spanking new Corvette. It's a really nice car but my problem was getting in and out of it. I guess I'm getting old. :E

[rjstractor]

FishOnOne wrote:
Perhaps some exotic V6 super charged engines... Unless these 6 cylinder cars are low 12 second they would have fell victoms.

Are you quite sure of that? I did a little quick research and according to Wikipedia a 1970 Superbird with the 426 Hemi ran a 1/4 in 14.3 at 104 mph. Car and Driver tested a 2012 V6 Toyota Camry that ran the 1/4 in 14.3 at 101. The new Mustangs are running high 12s, low 13s.

The old muscle cars were a lot of things, but not faster than today's cars.

[FishOnOne]

Lessmore wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Fast Mopar wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

That particular 454 had high compression and solid lifters from the factory. The only factory car that I remember that could really compete was a Buick GNX 455.

GNX came out in 1987. I think you meant to say GSX, probably with the Stage 1 455.

Your right it was basically the Buick Stage 1. That car was very fast and would dust most other factory cars.

Your '70 Chevelle could of been the LS6...450 hp/454. They were the high HP rated muscle car of the muscle car era. The big problem they had...was traction. Give them good tires and limited slip...they were very hard to beat, even match. A buddy had one.

You're also right about the Buick 455 Stage 1. Another ultra torquey muscle car that like the 454, was very difficult to beat.

Lessmore,
I'm impressed and your the first here for me to say "you gained my respect"... I was wondering if someone would have figured out the LS6. It's a real nasty engine! :B

And yes when matched up against the Buick Stage 1 (It's 455 was real nasty too :B)) it basically came down to the driver/experience and the quality of tires.

It's my belief that the LS6 powered Chevelle and the Buick Stage 1 would hands down beat pretty much any factory powered car during that era in a 1/4 race.

Now we all know what Fish's DNA is like and why I like a powerful trailer pulling truck. :B

[Lessmore]

FishOnOne wrote:

Fast Mopar wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

That particular 454 had high compression and solid lifters from the factory. The only factory car that I remember that could really compete was a Buick GNX 455.

GNX came out in 1987. I think you meant to say GSX, probably with the Stage 1 455.

Your right it was basically the Buick Stage 1. That car was very fast and would dust most other factory cars.

Your '70 Chevelle could of been the LS6...450 hp/454. They were the high HP rated muscle car of the muscle car era. The big problem they had...was traction. Give them good tires and limited slip...they were very hard to beat, even match. A buddy had one.

You're also right about the Buick 455 Stage 1. Another ultra torquey muscle car that like the 454, was very difficult to beat.

[FishOnOne]

dshelley wrote:
Old 454 Chevelles, Super birds, GSX's were all great in their day, but today quite a number of different brands of 6 cylinder cars will smoke every one of them.

Perhaps some exotic V6 super charged engines... Unless these 6 cylinder cars are low 12 second they would have fell victoms.

[FishOnOne]

Fast Mopar wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

That particular 454 had high compression and solid lifters from the factory. The only factory car that I remember that could really compete was a Buick GNX 455.

GNX came out in 1987. I think you meant to say GSX, probably with the Stage 1 455.

Your right it was basically the Buick Stage 1. That car was very fast and would dust most other factory cars.

[dshelley]

Old 454 Chevelles, Super birds, GSX's were all great in their day, but today quite a number of different brands of 6 cylinder cars will smoke every one of them.

[Fast_Mopar]

FishOnOne wrote:

That particular 454 had high compression and solid lifters from the factory. The only factory car that I remember that could really compete was a Buick GNX 455.

GNX came out in 1987. I think you meant to say GSX, probably with the Stage 1 455.

[FishOnOne]

BenK wrote:
Are you guys talking stock or 'built' engines?

Helped an older neighbor stuff in a big cam, big Holly and headers into his
mid 60's SS396. Neck and neck with another buddies Road Runner 440. They ran
out of road before either beat the other

King of my city back then was a guy who I helped stuff a 427 into his Falcon
Big cam, big Holly, headers and some tweaks to stiffen the body along with
axle snubbers...he didn't like traction bars

Peter White's 396 Goat was okay. Never let anyone touch his, so don't know what
he had in it

Canary Yellow with black interior was the hot color combo back then. Only the
Falcon was black

PS...the GTR is quicker...IIRC 3.9 0-60

I'm talking basically stock with the exception of a modified distributer and air shocks on the rear end.

[FishOnOne]

Dog Trainer wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
All I can say is my '70 Chevelle 454 dusted every Dodge/Chrysler, Ford/Mercury variant out there... Chargers, Challengers, Imperials, Mustangs, Mach I, Boss. It didn't matter, but the Hellcat would be too much.

You must have lived on the slow side of town or maybe it was the brand you were smoking back then. I guess you never ran against the chrysler 440 's or the Ford 428 cobra jets. The 454 was then and still is a dog of a motor.

Yes the vehicles listed above had 440's and 428's... That 454 dusted them including some Chevelles with some modified small blocks. I never ran a 426 Hemi, but we do know the Hellcat Challenger is faster.

That particular 454 had high compression and solid lifters from the factory. The only factory car that I remember that could really compete was a Buick GNX 455.

[BenK]

Are you guys talking stock or 'built' engines?

Helped an older neighbor stuff in a big cam, big Holly and headers into his
mid 60's SS396. Neck and neck with another buddies Road Runner 440. They ran
out of road before either beat the other

King of my city back then was a guy who I helped stuff a 427 into his Falcon
Big cam, big Holly, headers and some tweaks to stiffen the body along with
axle snubbers...he didn't like traction bars

Peter White's 396 Goat was okay. Never let anyone touch his, so don't know what
he had in it

Canary Yellow with black interior was the hot color combo back then. Only the
Falcon was black

PS...the GTR is quicker...IIRC 3.9 0-60

[Dog_Trainer]

FishOnOne wrote:
All I can say is my '70 Chevelle 454 dusted every Dodge/Chrysler, Ford/Mercury variant out there... Chargers, Challengers, Imperials, Mustangs, Mach I, Boss. It didn't matter, but the Hellcat would be too much.

You must have lived on the slow side of town or maybe it was the brand you were smoking back then. I guess you never ran against the chrysler 440 's or the Ford 428 cobra jets. The 454 was then and still is a dog of a motor.

[bucky]

Let's remember that only The King's super birds ever hit those top end numbers, and his cars were far from what we could buy at the time.
No way in hell I would drive a car from that era at those speeds on the tires of the day. And I was pretty stupid at the time.

[jfkmk]

jerem0621 wrote:

jfkmk wrote:

jerem0621 wrote:

jfkmk wrote:
No doubt the hellcat would smoke a Superbird. But my point was after 45 years the top speed is only bested by 2 mph. The bird was a one of a kind never to be duplicated. I wonder what the next 45 years will bring?

Which wheel would you rather be behind at 200 plus MPH?

I know which one I would prefer to be behind..

FYI... I saw a new 2015 Charger Live and In person today while getting our Town and Country serviced. They just brought the first one off the truck..

its a real beauty... 4 doors and all... got over them two doors after I turned 23... and had Kids.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

How about which car would I rather own? Hands down a Superbird. Look, I'm not trying to take away anything from the hellcat charger or it's much more beautiful Challenger. But, as amazing as they are, the Superbird achieved the same top speed 45 years ago with comparatively primitive engineering. Now THATS amazing!

You got me on that one!

Since we are just dreaming :). Let's get one of each.... Why choose?

Like I could afford either one!?? Ah, but we can always dream!