New GM HD "Allison" trans not built by Allison

[ib516]

Turns out GM is actually the ones building the new "Allison" 10 speed transmission that is going in the next gen HD trucks. They are keeping the brand name Allison but it won't be made by Allison Transmission Corp. Allison does say they will "verify" the transmission though.

Interesting way of looking at it.

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[FishOnOne]

ktmrfs wrote:

travelnutz wrote:
Glenwood Range in Delaware Ohio made the Kenmore appliances for Sears before Sears demise for eons and it was their very low entry level appliance product end but yet so many buyers had no idea of that FACT. I had been at the Glenwood Plant many times as I held the patents for their higher end product range door hinges product lines they also built for other higher end retail outlet product badged names.

So little the purchasing public knows as to actually manufactures the products they buy whether under product licensing or design licensing or not. Just like FCA only purchases the diesel engine from Cummins in Columbus Indiana they, Cummins, designs and manufacturers. Ford and GM designed and build their own full size truck diesel engines and GM builds them only in their own owned manufacturing plant in Moraine. Ohio Duramax engine plant. Duramax 6.6L is solely owned by GM as are all patents, design, and license to manufacture.

So is the Allison name totally owned by GM and has An Allison plant in Indianapolis Indiana for continually building Allison Transmissions. The Baltimore plant they sold to The Carlyle Group and the Onex Group used to manufacture the Allison 1000. Now the Allison Transmission is manufactured in-house at a GM plant again. No middleman anymore!

Many products simple have various sales outlet product label's slapped on them for identification POP (Point Of Purchase) and are just purchased from a typical manufacturer's standard product line and rebadged.

well, duramax development was a joint development between Izuzu and GM. with Izuzu doing a large amount, maybe the majority of the design. I serously doubt that GM has sole patent rights on the design. I suspect they are jointly shared between Izuzu and GM. GM does mfg the engine.

and the allison name is NOT totally owned by GM, in fact likely no ownership by GM. Allison was sold off from GM around 2007 as a seperate company continuing as Allison Transmission. IIRC as part of the sale agreement GM retained the ability to mfg the allison 1000 for use in GM products in one existing allison GM plant.

When GM sold Allison because of the bail out, they kept the rights of the design and to manufacture the transmission that goes into their HD trucks.

[ktmrfs]

travelnutz wrote:
Glenwood Range in Delaware Ohio made the Kenmore appliances for Sears before Sears demise for eons and it was their very low entry level appliance product end but yet so many buyers had no idea of that FACT. I had been at the Glenwood Plant many times as I held the patents for their higher end product range door hinges product lines they also built for other higher end retail outlet product badged names.

So little the purchasing public knows as to actually manufactures the products they buy whether under product licensing or design licensing or not. Just like FCA only purchases the diesel engine from Cummins in Columbus Indiana they, Cummins, designs and manufacturers. Ford and GM designed and build their own full size truck diesel engines and GM builds them only in their own owned manufacturing plant in Moraine. Ohio Duramax engine plant. Duramax 6.6L is solely owned by GM as are all patents, design, and license to manufacture.

So is the Allison name totally owned by GM and has An Allison plant in Indianapolis Indiana for continually building Allison Transmissions. The Baltimore plant they sold to The Carlyle Group and the Onex Group used to manufacture the Allison 1000. Now the Allison Transmission is manufactured in-house at a GM plant again. No middleman anymore!

Many products simple have various sales outlet product label's slapped on them for identification POP (Point Of Purchase) and are just purchased from a typical manufacturer's standard product line and rebadged.

well, duramax development was a joint development between Izuzu and GM. with Izuzu doing a large amount, maybe the majority of the design. I serously doubt that GM has sole patent rights on the design. I suspect they are jointly shared between Izuzu and GM. GM does mfg the engine.

and the allison name is NOT totally owned by GM, in fact likely no ownership by GM. Allison was sold off from GM around 2007 as a seperate company continuing as Allison Transmission. IIRC as part of the sale agreement GM retained the ability to mfg the allison 1000 for use in GM products in one existing allison GM plant.

[FishOnOne]

I thought I read that Chrysler builds the 9 speed ZF designed front wheel drive automatic transmission.

[travelnutz]

Glenwood Range in Delaware Ohio made the Kenmore appliances for Sears before Sears demise for eons and it was their very low entry level appliance product end but yet so many buyers had no idea of that FACT. I had been at the Glenwood Plant many times as I held the patents for their higher end product range door hinges product lines they also built for other higher end retail outlet product badged names.

So little the purchasing public knows as to actually manufactures the products they buy whether under product licensing or design licensing or not. Just like FCA only purchases the diesel engine from Cummins in Columbus Indiana they, Cummins, designs and manufacturers. Ford and GM designed and build their own full size truck diesel engines and GM builds them only in their own owned manufacturing plant in Moraine. Ohio Duramax engine plant. Duramax 6.6L is solely owned by GM as are all patents, design, and license to manufacture.

So is the Allison name totally owned by GM and has An Allison plant in Indianapolis Indiana for continually building Allison Transmissions. The Baltimore plant they sold to The Carlyle Group and the Onex Group used to manufacture the Allison 1000. Now the Allison Transmission is manufactured in-house at a GM plant again. No middleman anymore!

Many products simple have various sales outlet product label's slapped on them for identification POP (Point Of Purchase) and are just purchased from a typical manufacturer's standard product line and rebadged.

[Grit_dog]

Noooooo! Wha tis this world coming to????

[ACZL]

Ron3rd wrote:
Not unusual for someone to build another company's product under license

Whirlpool make Maytags

[Ron3rd]

Not unusual for someone to build another company's product under license

[colliehauler]

It's the same design regardless who builds it. Like was said before GM use to own Allison.

[drsteve]

Tyler0215 wrote:
No one knows who builds what anymore. Big companies buy smaller ones and then turn around and sell them to another company, who then merge with another.
Soon Google, Amazon, and Microsoft will own everything.

Appliances and electronics are a perfect example. The names are different (and often familiar) but they all come off the same Chinese assembly line.

[Tyler0215]

No one knows who builds what anymore. Big companies buy smaller ones and then turn around and sell them to another company, who then merge with another.
Soon Google, Amazon, and Microsoft will own everything.

[ktmrfs]

GM is or at least was building the allison 1000 in house even after the sale of the allison division in 2007.

and the 6.6 was a joint design headed by Izusu, and GM builds them in house.

[drsteve]

GM owned Allison until 2007.

[ShinerBock]

ib516 wrote:
Turns out GM is actually the ones building the new "Allison" 10 speed transmission that is going in the next gen HD trucks. They are keeping the brand name Allison but it won't be made by Allison Transmission Corp. Allison does say they will "verify" the transmission though.

Interesting way of looking at it.

TFL Video

That actually happens a lot with other makes as well. Ford had ZF design many of their 6R transmissions, but were built at Ford facilities using many ZF parts. Ram did the same with their 8 speed, but also sold variants built by ZF as well as those built in house. Hence the reason why there were two 8 speed models in their 1500s and other vehicles that used these transmissions. The ones built by ZF are 8HP70 and the one built in house are 870RE.