Payload rating on F-450.

[4wheelingNUT__]

Ok, looked at F-450 Platinum 4wd, with all the bells, and whistles, has the fifthwheel prep pkg. The stamped limit was 4770 lbs for cargo payload carrying capacity. My question is, is that enough for a 3700 pound hitch weight toyhauler. Did Ford factor in the fifthwheel hitch already in this figure? Anyone with F-450's pulling large heavy toyhaulers please chime in.

[blt2ski]

Cummins,

SOunds like the IRV2 folks do not know the rules and laws LEO/CVEO's follow then, look up the laws, talk who enforces the laws, drive rigs that get pulled over hopefully following the state weight, speed etc laws rigs over 10K have to follow, be them commercial or private use..........

Marty

[Huntindog]

FishOnOne wrote:

Huntindog wrote:
I remember for some years the 450 pickup had smaller axles, and IIRC, the wide track front axle was an option, then I believe they made different GVWRs available. Some actually had LRE tires. Not sure if that is still the case.

The wide track front axle was always standard for the F450 and was an option for the F350.

The F450 ran 17" tires from '11-'14. All other years they ran the 19.5" tires.

The F450 has a larger rear axle, larger brakes, heavier front suspension components, and a different rear spring pack than a F350.

The F450 is simply a beast...

11-14 is about when I remember Ford wimping out the 450. I knew quite a few people in the Dog trial world that had them when they first came out.
They went away pretty quick due to reliability issues.
IIRC, the available gear ratios changed in the 11 models... I assume that they came back in the 15s... But by then they were no longer being used in the circles I ran with.

IIRC, when the 17" tires were being used, the brakes got smaller as well.
So smaller brakes, taller gears, and weaker tires, along with the reliability issues... All that put together pretty much ended their run in my community.

[Cummins12V98]

spoon059 wrote:

4wheelingNUT!! wrote:
Ok, looked at F-450 Platinum 4wd, with all the bells, and whistles, has the fifthwheel prep pkg. The stamped limit was 4770 lbs for cargo payload carrying capacity.

The F450 comes standard with DRW, correct? I'm amazed at such a low payload. I've been DRW 1 ton diesels with almost 6,000 lbs of payload...

REPEAR AFTER ME. 14k GVWR is irrelevant.

[FishOnOne]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"The F450 is simply a beast..." One could say so with a straight face, BUT it can't tow my measly 23K RV without being "overloaded".

This beast will tow that Pop-Up all day long. :W

[FishOnOne]

blofgren wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Huntindog wrote:
I remember for some years the 450 pickup had smaller axles, and IIRC, the wide track front axle was an option, then I believe they made different GVWRs available. Some actually had LRE tires. Not sure if that is still the case.

The wide track front axle was always standard for the F450 and was an option for the F350.

The F450 ran 17" tires from '11-'14. All other years they ran the 19.5" tires.

The F450 has a larger rear axle, larger brakes, heavier front suspension components, and a different rear spring pack than a F350.

The F450 is simply a beast...

Do they have the same front axle?

No....

[spoon059]

4wheelingNUT!! wrote:
Ok, looked at F-450 Platinum 4wd, with all the bells, and whistles, has the fifthwheel prep pkg. The stamped limit was 4770 lbs for cargo payload carrying capacity.

The F450 comes standard with DRW, correct? I'm amazed at such a low payload. I've been DRW 1 ton diesels with almost 6,000 lbs of payload...

[Cummins12V98]

blt2ski wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"The F450 is simply a beast..." One could say so with a straight face, BUT it can't tow my measly 23K RV without being "overloaded".

Overloaded per what specification? You know as well as I know, their is manufactures warrant/weight spec, paid for license spec. Sum of axle only vs gvwr which is usually less than sum of axles in most class 1-4 or 5 rigs.
Which smoke and mirror spec do you want us to use?

Marty

Marty, I think you know I KNOW it’s all BS. My point the 450 and ALL DRW’s will be overloaded towing my 23k RV based on their self imposed 14k GVWR.

FYI I was permanently banned from irv.com for disputing the moderators opinion that 14k was GOD.

[blt2ski]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"The F450 is simply a beast..." One could say so with a straight face, BUT it can't tow my measly 23K RV without being "overloaded".

Overloaded per what specification? You know as well as I know, their is manufactures warrant/weight spec, paid for license spec. Sum of axle only vs gvwr which is usually less than sum of axles in most class 1-4 or 5 rigs.
Which smoke and mirror spec do you want us to use?

Marty

[Cummins12V98]

"The F450 is simply a beast..." One could say so with a straight face, BUT it can't tow my measly 23K RV without being "overloaded".

[blofgren]

FishOnOne wrote:

Huntindog wrote:
I remember for some years the 450 pickup had smaller axles, and IIRC, the wide track front axle was an option, then I believe they made different GVWRs available. Some actually had LRE tires. Not sure if that is still the case.

The wide track front axle was always standard for the F450 and was an option for the F350.

The F450 ran 17" tires from '11-'14. All other years they ran the 19.5" tires.

The F450 has a larger rear axle, larger brakes, heavier front suspension components, and a different rear spring pack than a F350.

The F450 is simply a beast...

Do they have the same front axle?

[FishOnOne]

Huntindog wrote:
I remember for some years the 450 pickup had smaller axles, and IIRC, the wide track front axle was an option, then I believe they made different GVWRs available. Some actually had LRE tires. Not sure if that is still the case.

The wide track front axle was always standard for the F450 and was an option for the F350.

The F450 ran 17" tires from '11-'14. All other years they ran the 19.5" tires.

The F450 has a larger rear axle, larger brakes, heavier front suspension components, and a different rear spring pack than a F350.

The F450 is simply a beast...

[Huntindog]

I remember for some years the 450 pickup had smaller axles, and IIRC, the wide track front axle was an option, then I believe they made different GVWRs available. Some actually had LRE tires. Not sure if that is still the case.

[Grit_dog]

Some of you may actually be arguing with your own self in this thread!

[Grit_dog]

agesilaus wrote:
No the hitch is not included in that number nor is the weights of the passengers, misc cargo or anything else. You may need a MDT

Oh geesus, here we go. Forget the MDT, you're in class 8 territory with a booster axle!

[blt2ski]

Cummins,
Some of the things you are asking about, i.e. load to a grawr, and stay below a gvwr, may or may not work! An Astro can I had, with both axle limits of 3100 total 6200, but GM limited gvwr to 6100, I can load to RA limit and stay under gvwr no issues.
On the 05 dually I had, and some SW 25 and 35 series trucks. The difference between the sum of the axles and gvwr is such, with out removing weight from front, by loading gear etc behind the rear. You can't get to RA limit, with out going over the gvwr limit.
Hence why some of us, us the sum of axles as our max loading vs manufactures. OR, we say screw the manufactures warranty/weight limits, and go by our states paid for limits, which are based on Federal Bridge Law limits per axle.
Reality on latter, is the 450 vs 350, will net the same max gvw of around 30k-32k before getting an over weight ticket. 20,000 on rear, 10-12,000 on front. With the F450 probably being the lower due to the 225-70-19.5 tire width. Vs an F350 having 235 or 245 width tires iirc. If the have same tire width, both will have a max that is equal.
Reality which is better, the 450! Licence accordingly. I'd do a minimum 16000 licence, drive down the road with no question on legality of it. Just as I go down the road at upwards of 26,000 with my IHC with a gvwr of 18200. 14000 with my 05 gm dually with an 11200 gvwr. 12000 with my 96 SW K3500 with a 9200 gvwr.
Too many ways to play the numbers game.
Marty