Payload rating on F-450.

[4wheelingNUT__]

Ok, looked at F-450 Platinum 4wd, with all the bells, and whistles, has the fifthwheel prep pkg. The stamped limit was 4770 lbs for cargo payload carrying capacity. My question is, is that enough for a 3700 pound hitch weight toyhauler. Did Ford factor in the fifthwheel hitch already in this figure? Anyone with F-450's pulling large heavy toyhaulers please chime in.

[Cummins12V98]

carringb wrote:
Just get the F450 and don't go over the rear axle rating. There's registration and insurance benefits to the artificially low GVWR, in many state. It's just like the 10,000 F350 dually option. It comes with a lower sticker for similar reason, while mechanically its identical to the regular models.

So have you done the math based on what you just said? So load to 9,900# and simply add ZERO weight to the front axle of most likely close to 5,400# from the factory, now what do you recommend?

If a person is set on NUMBERS ya may as well stay with the 350.

[carringb]

Just get the F450 and don't go over the rear axle rating. There's registration and insurance benefits to the artificially low GVWR, in many state. It's just like the 10,000 F350 dually option. It comes with a lower sticker for similar reason, while mechanically its identical to the regular models.

[Cummins12V98]

rjstractor wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
What are the RAWR's of the 450 Class3 and the MD Cab and Chassis 450???

Folks it's ALL Smoke and Mirrors.

Per Ford's website, RGAWR on the F450 PU is 9900 (same as F350) and the C&C max is 12880. I didn't take the time to dig into spring pack ratings but I suspect that's where the difference is. The C&C model likely has a stronger straight frame as well. Part of the difference is numbers BS I'm sure.

So going by RAWR why buy a 450? I think we all know the fact is the 450 is good for much more than 9,900#.

Smoke n Mirrors.

[rjstractor]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
What are the RAWR's of the 450 Class3 and the MD Cab and Chassis 450???

Folks it's ALL Smoke and Mirrors.

Per Ford's website, RGAWR on the F450 PU is 9900 (same as F350) and the C&C max is 12880. I didn't take the time to dig into spring pack ratings but I suspect that's where the difference is. The C&C model likely has a stronger straight frame as well. Part of the difference is numbers BS I'm sure.

[Cummins12V98]

rjstractor wrote:

blt2ski wrote:
Last I looked, the F450 WAS and IS an MDT! granted an equivalent of a Ranger to an F350 in that category. It still is a DOT Class 4 rig! which is an MDT by anyone that I know of that understands the DOT class 1-8 truck classifications.

With that said, the OP may need a rig with more payload! Be it a class 4, 5 or 6 rig depending upon the interior pkg wts etc.

Marty

I could be off a bit on this, but IIRC the F450 pickup has an artifically low 14K GVWR and a softer suspension than the F450 cab & chassis. It actually has the same GVWR as the F350 DRW and since it weighs quite a bit more it has less payload. If they gave the F450 pickup the GVWR it could likely handle than it would be firmly into class 4, a "light" MD truck. I think that the C&C F450 has a heavier suspension to match its 16K GVWR. Having said all that, the F450 pickup will likely handle far over its GVWR without issue.

What are the RAWR's of the 450 Class3 and the MD Cab and Chassis 450???

Folks it's ALL Smoke and Mirrors.

[Cummins12V98]

rhagfo wrote:

blt2ski wrote:

agesilaus wrote:
No the hitch is not included in that number nor is the weights of the passengers, misc cargo or anything else. You may need a MDT

Last I looked, the F450 WAS and IS an MDT! granted an equivalent of a Ranger to an F350 in that category. It still is a DOT Class 4 rig! which is an MDT by anyone that I know of that understands the DOT class 1-8 truck classifications.

With that said, the OP may need a rig with more payload! Be it a class 4, 5 or 6 rig depending upon the interior pkg wts etc.

Marty

Ford call it a Class 3 with a 14,000# GVWR :S

If Ford classified as Class 4 then insurance and registration fees would be higher.

One of those real Catch 22 situations, stronger truck, smaller payload.

Thanks, nice to see someone else understands this!

License to your trucks loaded weight and stay at or under your RAWR = good to go!

[Cummins12V98]

"Last I looked, the F450 WAS and IS an MDT!" Cab and Chassis you are correct. But with the pickup bed it's in Class3 at 14k GVWR and "technically" not a MDT.

My point is the new DRW trucks are basically in MDT territory but are limited by staying in Class3 14k GVWR..

Marty you understand weights maybe YOU can explain why I have a 9,750# RAWR and load to that and not add a single pound to my factory front axle weight of 5,250# and NOT be over my GVWR.

[JTrac]

agesilaus wrote:
The weight claim is usually made on a stripped down truck with few if any accessories. And it varies quite a bit in the real world depending on axle ratios, engines, transmissions and so on.

He is referring to the yellow sticker on the driver's side door jam. That sticker gives the payload for that particular truck.

I was really tempted by the 450 when we bought our 17. It was only a couple thousand more but just couldn't wrap my mind around needing a 450 to pull a 35 foot fifth wheel. You would think the payload figures would be more for a 450 than a 350 but not so. We like our 350 a lot. It is one of the quietest riding vehicles I have ever owned. It does take a bit of room to turn it around and the tighter radius on the 450 would probably be nice.

[NRALIFR]

If you remember, the 2008-2010 F450 pickups had a GVWR of 14,500 lbs, which put them in the class 4 range. Some Ford marketing group probably made a credible case that the F450 pickup was “stealing sales” from the cab and chassis F450’s. The two platforms are intended for a different customer set, so keeping the F450 pickup a class 3 probably helps separate them.

I’ve owned two of them, a 2010 and the 2016 I have now. I bought them because I wanted what you could get on them that wasn’t available on the F350’s. Dana S110 rear axle, Bigger brakes, 19.5 tires, and the improved turning radius of the wide-track front axle. This all makes the F450 weigh more than the F350, and it’s all unsprung weight.

If you were to buy an F350 because of its higher payload, then put 19.5’s on it, your cost would be about the same as an F450 pickup. IMHO, ignore the GVWR on the F450 pickup. Use the weight ratings on the tires at max psi. Don’t overload the tires and you won’t overload the truck.

I’m not sure about the 2017 and up F450 pickups, but the previous generation trucks like mine may squat more than you will like if you put more than about 5500 lbs on it. That’s a common complaint from those who haul or tow heavy with them. There are several options available to resolve that issue. I’ve got upper Stableloads on mine. It’s really the F450 pickup’s only shortcoming.

:):)

[blt2ski]

rhagfo wrote:

blt2ski wrote:

agesilaus wrote:
No the hitch is not included in that number nor is the weights of the passengers, misc cargo or anything else. You may need a MDT

Last I looked, the F450 WAS and IS an MDT! granted an equivalent of a Ranger to an F350 in that category. It still is a DOT Class 4 rig! which is an MDT by anyone that I know of that understands the DOT class 1-8 truck classifications.

With that said, the OP may need a rig with more payload! Be it a class 4, 5 or 6 rig depending upon the interior pkg wts etc.

Marty

Ford call it a Class 3 with a 14,000# GVWR :S

If Ford classified as Class 4 then insurance and registration fees would be higher.

One of those real Catch 22 situations, stronger truck, smaller payload.

Here in Wa st that would be another catch 22, as you would probably be tare x 1.5 = more than 14K, so you would have to license it at 16K lbs.....Or one can buy a 16K plate, and have an additional 2000 lbs of payload. For all of $15-20 per year. Insurance is a wash. Liability goes up, collision goes down about what the liability went down.....
Why not just call it what it is! A class 4! Granted a 4 is 14,001-16,000 lbs......I would bet the axel rating totals are in the 4 range, if not barely into the 5 range!

Marty

[rjstractor]

blt2ski wrote:
Last I looked, the F450 WAS and IS an MDT! granted an equivalent of a Ranger to an F350 in that category. It still is a DOT Class 4 rig! which is an MDT by anyone that I know of that understands the DOT class 1-8 truck classifications.

With that said, the OP may need a rig with more payload! Be it a class 4, 5 or 6 rig depending upon the interior pkg wts etc.

Marty

I could be off a bit on this, but IIRC the F450 pickup has an artifically low 14K GVWR and a softer suspension than the F450 cab & chassis. It actually has the same GVWR as the F350 DRW and since it weighs quite a bit more it has less payload. If they gave the F450 pickup the GVWR it could likely handle than it would be firmly into class 4, a "light" MD truck. I think that the C&C F450 has a heavier suspension to match its 16K GVWR. Having said all that, the F450 pickup will likely handle far over its GVWR without issue.

[rhagfo]

blt2ski wrote:

agesilaus wrote:
No the hitch is not included in that number nor is the weights of the passengers, misc cargo or anything else. You may need a MDT

Last I looked, the F450 WAS and IS an MDT! granted an equivalent of a Ranger to an F350 in that category. It still is a DOT Class 4 rig! which is an MDT by anyone that I know of that understands the DOT class 1-8 truck classifications.

With that said, the OP may need a rig with more payload! Be it a class 4, 5 or 6 rig depending upon the interior pkg wts etc.

Marty

Ford call it a Class 3 with a 14,000# GVWR :S

If Ford classified as Class 4 then insurance and registration fees would be higher.

One of those real Catch 22 situations, stronger truck, smaller payload.

[agesilaus]

blt2ski wrote:

agesilaus wrote:
No the hitch is not included in that number nor is the weights of the passengers, misc cargo or anything else. You may need a MDT

Last I looked, the F450 WAS and IS an MDT! granted an equivalent of a Ranger to an F350 in that category. It still is a DOT Class 4 rig! which is an MDT by anyone that I know of that understands the DOT class 1-8 truck classifications.

With that said, the OP may need a rig with more payload! Be it a class 4, 5 or 6 rig depending upon the interior pkg wts etc.

Marty

I am not all that familiar with MDT's, I wondered if the 450 was one but Ford has blurred the line between a 350 dually and the 450 in my mind anyway.

[blt2ski]

agesilaus wrote:
No the hitch is not included in that number nor is the weights of the passengers, misc cargo or anything else. You may need a MDT

Last I looked, the F450 WAS and IS an MDT! granted an equivalent of a Ranger to an F350 in that category. It still is a DOT Class 4 rig! which is an MDT by anyone that I know of that understands the DOT class 1-8 truck classifications.

With that said, the OP may need a rig with more payload! Be it a class 4, 5 or 6 rig depending upon the interior pkg wts etc.

Marty

[Cummins12V98]

People need to understand payload is a joke on the 350, 450 and 3500 DRW’s. WHY is it LESS on the 450??? Simple answer they are all self limited to the Class3 14,000# GVWR. 450 weighs more so less payload remains after subtracting trucks factory weight from 14k.

If they make GVWR higher they put the trucks in Commercial Classification and licensing and insurance costs increase.

Simply tow within your RAWR and pay for extra tonnage if you go over 14k.