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Question for the guy's with duallies and big campers

husky390
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This is purely subjective but eventually I want to upgrade from an F250 with a pop up camper to a hard sided camper. Something similar to an Arctic Fox 1150.

For you guy's with campers that size and duallies, how much body sway do you feel when driving down the road?

Do any of you haul that size camper with a gas engine?

Do any of you tow?
1990 F250 XLT Lariat
1992 Northstar Texson
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rickeoni
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jimh425 wrote:
I think it might flip over. 😉 See how high it is.


Just have to avoid Tennessee :B
2008 F450
2007 Adventurer 85WS
2012 Haulmark "The Garage"
2016 Outdoors RV Glacier Peak 26 RKS

jimh406
Explorer III
Explorer III
I think it might flip over. 😉 See how high it is.

'10 Ford F-450, 6.4, 4.30, 4x4, 14,500 GVWR, '06 Host Rainer 950 DS, Torklift Talon tiedowns, Glow Steps, and Fastguns. Bilstein 4600s, Firestone Bags, Toyo M655 Gs, Curt front hitch, Energy Suspension bump stops.

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husky390
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Explorer
rickeoni wrote:
Big Bad Dually, Stable as all get out & never get stuck in the after holiday traffic jam!



Now that's thinking outside of the box.
1990 F250 XLT Lariat
1992 Northstar Texson

rickeoni
Explorer
Explorer
Big Bad Dually, Stable as all get out & never get stuck in the after holiday traffic jam!

2008 F450
2007 Adventurer 85WS
2012 Haulmark "The Garage"
2016 Outdoors RV Glacier Peak 26 RKS

RobertRyan
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Explorer
sleepy wrote:
This section of I-40 has a tractor trailer turned over about every week. This one during last night.

Getting maintaince and parts for an obscure vehicle is hard... think about when the truck pushed so hard in the 3 pages.... whos going to repair it, with what, and at what expense when you are traveling?

Find a wide track dually truck that has skilled mechanics and repair parts in abundance...

Don't be the sucker that gets stuck along side the road or in a wrecker storage road because it can't be repaired for weeks in most areas or only at great expense after being towed to a far away area for servicing.


There is nothing that takes smug off you face like making a BIG MISTAKE and giving up your vacation with a bum vehicle.... fgrom a break down, or from an accident...

Flame away... but at least think about what I wrote...

and while you are at it... ask yourself what would motivate anyone to press so hard trying to make a narrow, short wheel based uncomfortable riding obscure vehicle into the image of a viable, trouble free, answer to vacation dreams instead of the source of nightmares.

I'll never intentionally lie to you about anything and I try to think things throughHave a wonderful Canada day, and later this week a wonderful 4th of July.

Be safe traveling



Sleepy


Source of nightmares here would a Dually US Pickup on a narrow gibber strewn road. the tractor trailer that flipped means overloading on the various trailer/trailers involved

jimh406
Explorer III
Explorer III
Since the hijack is full speed, I'd like to point out again that the reason most of us don't buy a truck just for a truck camper. We buy a truck that will work for us that can also haul a truck camper. Such is the case on the disputed truck. He bought his truck for other uses and uses it for truck campers, too. Seems perfectly reasonable.

What is not perfectly reasonable is assuming there is only one answer to the question of what truck we should buy or what truck camper we should buy. To be clear, most of us can point out shortcomings on anyone's choice. It is too easy to point out shortcomings!

Sure, a few people always think they have "the" answer. Guess what, until they volunteer to buy our trucks and campers and drive and camp in them, their opinions really don't matter to most of us!

'10 Ford F-450, 6.4, 4.30, 4x4, 14,500 GVWR, '06 Host Rainer 950 DS, Torklift Talon tiedowns, Glow Steps, and Fastguns. Bilstein 4600s, Firestone Bags, Toyo M655 Gs, Curt front hitch, Energy Suspension bump stops.

NRA Life Member, CCA Life Member

Bedlam
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husky390 wrote:
As the OP, let's get back on topic. I appreciate all of the info provided and a dually will be the way for me to go when I'm ready to purchase a big boy camper. I had a pretty bad case of sticker shock when I looked at some used Lance and Arctic Fox campers. I could buy a very well equipped 5th wheel for what they wanted for the campers. Is it a supply/demand issue that makes them so expensive?

First, you have to realize that a TC has all the same elements as a FW. This means that cost will be close to the same even if square footage is greatly different.

Second, TC's are made in much less scale than than other RV's. Even if the manufacturer makes trailers and other RV's and gets quantity discounts for components and material, the production line will not see the same efficiencies as high volume line. I have little doubt that TC production costs are as high or more than other RV's.

Third, with compactness comes more engineering to fit all the amenities in all small space at minimum weight. It is no different than PC's: A desktop computer is usually more powerful and and less expensive than laptop. Yes, I look at the TC the laptop of the RV world.

Host Mammoth 11.5 on Ram 5500 HD

Bedlam
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Although I cannot fully agree with all of Sleepy's statements, he does bring up a valid point I would like emphasize: Which ever vehicle you purchase, make sure parts and service are available for it in the areas you plan travel. If you know you are traveling south of the US border, ULSD (Ultra Low Sulfer Diesel) is not common so you will not want later model US diesel with emissions that will result in expensive failures. There is no one universal vehicle for all areas or types of travel, so your choice needs to be based on where and how you like camp.

Host Mammoth 11.5 on Ram 5500 HD

sleepy
Explorer
Explorer
This section of I-40 has a tractor trailer turned over about every week. This one during last night.

Getting maintaince and parts for an obscure vehicle is hard... think about when the truck pushed so hard in the 3 pages.... whos going to repair it, with what, and at what expense when you are traveling?

Find a wide track dually truck that has skilled mechanics and repair parts in abundance...

Don't be the sucker that gets stuck along side the road or in a wrecker storage road because it can't be repaired for weeks in most areas or only at great expense after being towed to a far away area for servicing.

There is nothing that takes smug off you face like making a BIG MISTAKE and giving up your vacation with a bum vehicle.... fgrom a break down, or from an accident...

Flame away... but at least think about what I wrote...

and while you are at it... ask yourself what would motivate anyone to press so hard trying to make a narrow, short wheel based uncomfortable riding obscure vehicle into the image of a viable, trouble free, answer to vacation dreams instead of the source of nightmares.

I'll never intentionally lie to you about anything and I try to think things throughHave a wonderful Canada day, and later this week a wonderful 4th of July.

Be safe traveling



Sleepy
2003 Lance 1161,/slideout/AGM batteries/255W Solar/propane generator/Sat dish/2 Fantastic Fans/AC/winter pkg
AirFoil, Trimetric, LED lights, Platcat vent heat

2003GMC K3500 LT/Crewcab/duramax diesel/allison/dually/4x4/OnStar/front reciever mounted spare

husky390
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rickeoni wrote:
How did a thread about duallies and big campers morph into flaming one guys idea of a camper/adventure rig. Like our mothers taught us. If you don't have something nice to say .......
I think it looks like it would be awesome in the west coast where roads are tight and those of you with your big campers and F450's would struggle to fit...


Agreed. I think the cab over is a pretty cool idea and it's not everyday I see a cab over box van overturned on the side of the highway. The turning radius would be awesome to have in the woods.

As the OP, let's get back on topic. I appreciate all of the info provided and a dually will be the way for me to go when I'm ready to purchase a big boy camper. I had a pretty bad case of sticker shock when I looked at some used Lance and Arctic Fox campers. I could buy a very well equipped 5th wheel for what they wanted for the campers. Is it a supply/demand issue that makes them so expensive?
1990 F250 XLT Lariat
1992 Northstar Texson

rickeoni
Explorer
Explorer
How did a thread about duallies and big campers morph into flaming one guys idea of a camper/adventure rig. Like our mothers taught us. If you don't have something nice to say .......
I think it looks like it would be awesome in the west coast where roads are tight and those of you with your big campers and F450's would struggle to fit...
2008 F450
2007 Adventurer 85WS
2012 Haulmark "The Garage"
2016 Outdoors RV Glacier Peak 26 RKS

RobertRyan
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Explorer
Why not many in the US? Their non-American, only built for short deliveries, rough ride no power.
Here they are using the Cab Chassis variants of European Vans, much better ride all round and vastly more capable off road. HD US pickups are dying in Australia, not many to start with but the numbers are getting less and less.
In comparison with its Japanese light truck counterparts the Daily 4x4 has better ergonomics, better access, better on and off-road ride, handling and performance, as well as offering bodybuilders the option of a walk-through cab to body corridor. This latter feature isn't possible with Japanese vehicles that have the engine located between the driver and passenger seats.

The Iveco also has the option of a two seat passenger bench, making the short-cab a three-seater.

RobertRyan
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Explorer
sleepy wrote:
RobertRyan wrote:
sleepy wrote:
A tall sail on a sail boat is empty until the force of the wind fills it (measured in foot pounds maybe...)

(narrow) Sail boats turn over

and their heavy Keel puts much of their weight below the surface of the water...

It appears that there is a lot of effort to ignore high school physics... and I'm sure that everyone had that class as a requirement.

Noone is ignoring high school physics but as marshfly said, these have a much lower COG Than a traditional TC Very very hard to tip over, unlike a heavy TC on a F550.
The configuration is used for Off Road Emergency vehicles globally. Ever seen a Unimog? They look like you can push them over with one hand but almost impossible to tip over Off Road.

Thats a pretty big sail.

How come such a few people use them... if they are so great how come our good friend Douglas Packard isn't using one... he imported an American truck and had it converted to right hand drive at great expense.

Of course Doug can afford to go first class... all of his toys are the best of the best.


Quite simple, they are rough as guts Off Road unless the suspension is changed. They do not have a lot of power.On the other hand they are very stable, Dougs TC is much more limited Off Road, but has a comparatively much better ride, Not a great ride but much better than the basic delivery truck set up of that lightweight Mitsubishi

sleepy
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RobertRyan wrote:
sleepy wrote:
A tall sail on a sail boat is empty until the force of the wind fills it (measured in foot pounds maybe...)

(narrow) Sail boats turn over

and their heavy Keel puts much of their weight below the surface of the water...

It appears that there is a lot of effort to ignore high school physics... and I'm sure that everyone had that class as a requirement.

Noone is ignoring high school physics but as marshfly said, these have a much lower COG Than a traditional TC Very very hard to tip over, unlike a heavy TC on a F550.
The configuration is used for Off Road Emergency vehicles globally. Ever seen a Unimog? They look like you can push them over with one hand but almost impossible to tip over Off Road.


Thats a pretty big sail.

How come such a few people use them... if they are so great how come our good friend Douglas Packard isn't using one... he imported an American truck and had it converted to right hand drive at great expense.

Of course Doug can afford to go first class... all of his toys are the best of the best.

2003 Lance 1161,/slideout/AGM batteries/255W Solar/propane generator/Sat dish/2 Fantastic Fans/AC/winter pkg
AirFoil, Trimetric, LED lights, Platcat vent heat

2003GMC K3500 LT/Crewcab/duramax diesel/allison/dually/4x4/OnStar/front reciever mounted spare